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Topic: RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Topic: RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

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Chicken George
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/7/2018 8:31:33 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

It was certainly his right to leave. My issue with his leaving was IF he purposely misled Saul along the way, namely not being honest Jaaron’s jr. year so that Saul could have recruited a pg. a year earlier.

While I acknowledge Kirk exhibited great promise I think the team would have been better served having Kirk been Simmons apprentice this year. Kirk being thrown directly into the fire when we were missing so many other functioning vital parts, namely no Carter and a severely hampered Dartis and to a lesser injured degree Laster made Kirk’s baptismal all the more difficult.

Forgive me in that I haven't opened this link in a long time and have not scrolled back to catch-up, should I be repeating things in my response, but...

Didn't JS leaving open up the scholarship for Kirk to even come in the first place. Seeing how Butler played, wasn't that really a blessing in disguise for SP big picture? SP rolled the dice for two years without an apprentice at the PG position and quite frankly got burned with such risky recruiting. And if JS had stayed and Butler had been the apprentice preparing for next year, then you don't feel quite as confident as you do right now at the PG position for next season do you? Short term it may have hurt, but long term realizing this years team was more than JS away from contending, maybe a good thing?

Secondly, I'm not so sure JS didn't stunt the growth of other guys last year. Once Campbell went down, it appeared that other than Carter, he had very little confidence in many of his other teammates. Consequently, there was a ton of iso-ball and really led people who didn't trust the recruiting to think things like--JS is transfer and came in a manner SP doesn't prefer & TC was inherited from the previous coach--the rest of the guys are the future. When it's 1.5 (JS & Carter) on 5 in many games down the stretch, it made some fearful of what the supporting cast outside of a transfer that fell into our laps and a MAC Player of the Year that was inherited, had to offer?

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/7/2018 8:42:54 AM

In the end Jaaron punked us all. Yes he left us in a bad spot but among other things he got to play at the Garden, got a ring, goto the NCAA tournament, cut down the nets, probably goto the sweet 16, play in front of ruckus sold out crowds, and most importantly get a graduate degree from a top 25 university. He never had a chance to play in the NBA. He will still play in Europe if he chooses to. Sure he missed out on some PT and it probably cost him 30k on his first year contract, but if he has a good year 1 in Europe he will make it back. When he's 75 you think he will miss that 30k, or do you think he will be talking about the memories he got and polishing his big ten ring.

doubledribble
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/7/2018 8:56:08 AM

I am not sure that I would be spending too much time polishing a ring that I had nothing to do with being awarded. He got to warm up in front of some ruckus, sold out crowds, he sure didnt get to play.
This past year has cost JS any chance he had at playing in one of the upper-level leagues in Europe. Guards are a dime a dozen scattered all over Europe. He will play for peanuts in one of the lower tier leagues for a year a two, then resurface around Dayton someplace.
I would like to know who was the person who had Jaaron's ear and made the terrible mistake of trying to convince JS that he could fit into Michigan's system of play. He had better be feeling very guilty for what happened to Jarron.

Last Edited: 3/7/2018 8:58:22 AM by doubledribble

bornacatfan
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/7/2018 10:26:45 AM

Chicken George wrote:

Didn't JS leaving open up the scholarship for Kirk to even come in the first place. Seeing how Butler played, wasn't that really a blessing in disguise for SP big picture? SP rolled the dice for two years without an apprentice at the PG position and quite frankly got burned with such risky recruiting.

Risky recruiting. HMmmm. Been on the recruiting trail? When you have a JS playing well and it looks like he will be there 2 or 3 years MOST parents and handlers are going to say "Boy, you gonna be sitting the bench till he moves on..." Getting PG that is willing to play 8-11 minutes for a year or 3 is way harder than you think...especially at the mid major level. Delusions of granduer

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100%Cat
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/9/2018 8:14:26 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Chicken George wrote:

I'll be honest, I can't remember where I heard it or even who said it, but I recall someone around the program saying that when Jason Carter was being recruited, he asked Simmons point blank are you going to be here for two more years, and the answer Jaaron gave was yes.

Obviously that didn't happen.

Last Edited: 3/9/2018 8:14:55 AM by 100%Cat

Chicken George
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/9/2018 9:32:43 AM

I have not been on the recruiting trail, but I have been on a common sense trail and with this line of thinking, teams wouldn't have benches? Taylor wouldn't have come because we had Tony and so on? And the other point, JS would've been a Senior this past year and Butler was going to be the next man up? How would that have felt not only this past season, but entering this coming season? I'm sorry, but if you can only recruit guys willing to come if the starter was a Senior, some teams may have have like 3 guys on their bench on teams filled with talented underclassman who are starters.

Last Edited: 3/9/2018 9:34:58 AM by Chicken George

BillyTheCat
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/9/2018 11:28:55 AM

Chicken George wrote:

Well, this is where we have a problem. Because many times what the outside world views as commonsense does not add up in the real world of recruiting.

OhioCatFan
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/9/2018 12:30:27 PM

I'm tempted to put some Monroe-type political commentary here for the sole purpose of sending this whole darn thread to Siberia. However, the better angel of my nature has taken over, and I'll refrain.

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Old Zone
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/10/2018 9:19:21 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Old Zone wrote:

Haven't really been keeping up with this thread because as my Italian grandmother would say, "He's dead to me."

A sentiment shared multiple times by Tony Soprano.

My nonna said it before Tony did and Tony really meant the dead thing.

Last Edited: 3/10/2018 9:20:26 PM by Old Zone

GraffZ06
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 12:12:21 AM

Houston about to eliminate Michigan.

God, it turns out, does indeed have a sense of humor. Oops.

Ted Thompson
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 12:16:22 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Houston about to eliminate Michigan.

God, it turns out, does indeed have a sense of humor. Oops.

Not so fast my friend. Always put someone on the inbounds passer.

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OU SLAM
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 2:00:50 AM

What a fantastic finish! Congrats to Michigan and Jaaron as they will move on to the sweet 16. I am so happy for this young man to be able to experience the NCAA tournament. Well deserved. Go Wolverines.

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 2:55:44 AM

Ted Thompson wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Houston about to eliminate Michigan.

God, it turns out, does indeed have a sense of humor. Oops.

Not so fast my friend. Always put someone on the inbounds passer.

Epic fail for Houston. Miss 3 of their final 4 FTs. Both while up 2. Then don't put anyone on the inbounder (Hellooo Grant Hill and Christian Laettner say hi). When will these coaches learn?

bobcatsquared
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 8:49:16 AM

[QUOTE=OU SLAM] I am so happy for this young man to be able to experience the NCAA tournament. Well deserved./QUOTE]

I couldn't care less what success/failures Simmons has experienced since he left Athens early. However, I'm not sure how Simmons moving on to the round of 16 is "well deserved."

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 8:51:03 AM by bobcatsquared

Bobcat1998
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 10:05:31 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

I completely agree. He doesn't "deserve" this for leaving a program and coat-tailing his way to a Sweet 16.

OhioCatFan
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 10:11:36 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I completely agree. He doesn't "deserve" this for leaving a program and coat-tailing his way to a Sweet 16.

Did anyone else notice that during the brief time JS was in the game, he completely forgot his defensive assignment, which led to an easy 3 by UMich, and then he was chewed out when he got back to the bench?

OU SLAM
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 1:20:54 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I completely agree. He doesn't "deserve" this for leaving a program and coat-tailing his way to a Sweet 16.

It would do you all some good to let the bitterness go. Jaaron wont be the last great guard to dribble on the court in Athens. TK did well as a freshman. I’m looking forward to seeing him grow. Let’s put our positive energy toward next season and let go of the past. Go Bobcats!

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 3:48:24 PM

OU SLAM wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I completely agree. He doesn't "deserve" this for leaving a program and coat-tailing his way to a Sweet 16.

Again, I couldn't care less.

In fact, the English language has no word to describe my indifference when it comes to Simmons. Just not sure how HE deserves to be in the sweet 16.

In summary, no bitterness here to let go.

bornacatfan
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 4:34:25 PM

Agreed.

When I read it and talk to people I don't see the "butt hurt" or "bitterness" folks are trying to imply here.

Seems like civil conversation has gone to polarity. Using the word deserves is bound to raise some hackles. He has earned his spot on the bench and the occassional court appearance by showing up to practice and being on the scout team everyday. Can't take that away from him. Just because someone comments does not make them a "hater". Many are indifferent and many understand that he made a choice that he felt was better. Some may even think he "deserves' the pine time vs finishing out as a MAC POY candidate with a little brighter future. Unless Simpson ends up in the NBA the choice does not make him look all that talented if you are evaluating his prospects.

There are folks who lament this thread that should probably just keep moving and ignore it if it upsets them. There are those who feel anyone who makes a comment is just old and bitter. Does not matter. The thread is here and it is what it is. As long as there are graduate transfers this is a discussion on every board where someone leaves. Jump around ....Ted has listed a link to other boards somewhere here....and see how others treat it. We are not unique. Whatever. If some interested kid with a year left decides he is considering leaving it will have some effect on his decision perhaps. Grass is not always greener and this thread illustrates that. There are some that support his decision and some who dislike it. Till the rule changes or the NCAA makes them stay to finish the Master's it is gonna be here.

I like peanut butter, some do not but those who don't and say why, I am not gonna label them as "bitter over butter". I will answer them in a civil manner and try not to use words that trigger a pissed off feeling or response. So. However you feel that is fine. Discuss it, please, without TRYING to piss people off and read it without lusting for a fight. We're all Bobcats....

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 5:31:53 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

In fact, the English language has no word to describe my indifference when it comes to Simmons. Just not sure how HE deserves to be in the sweet 16.

Because he is on the team. Same as if we had made it to the tournament, Mickle would deserve to be there with us.

Last Edited: 3/18/2018 5:32:06 PM by cc-cat

OhioCatFan
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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 5:39:33 PM

borna said: "The thread is here and it is what it is."

OCF says: "The thread is here and it ain't what it ain't!" ;-)

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/18/2018 7:04:39 PM

I will say him and Beilein got into it a few times and essentially got benched.

That said, the view from 10 rows off of that three in front of our faces.......wow

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/19/2018 2:30:15 AM

Last time I talked to him he said it has been a great year at UM so I bet this run aint hurting his feelings.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/universi... /

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/19/2018 2:44:03 AM

AND he basically Says he is actually a better basketball player now due to John Beilein so lets just retire this thread before Karma grants him A National Title for his haters.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-mic... /

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RE: How will you follow Jaaron Simmons at Michigan?

Posted: 3/19/2018 9:16:35 AM

The shot Poole hit to beat Houston was crazy.

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