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BillyTheCat
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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:22:48 PM

giacomo wrote:

I started this thread because I received the Athletics Annual Report in the mail. They had a section that listed all the athletes who graduated and what their majors were. In men's basketball six earned degrees and four were specialized studies. I've already pitched it or I would look up some other sports. Did anyone else receive it?

Borna, this would be the data, and the information that started the entire post. Maybe stop trying to troll me and focus on the actual topic. 4 of 6 is I believe 66%.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:24:23 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Here it is on pages 18 and 19. From what I can tell, only 1 woman received this degree and football, baseball, and basketball led the way on the number of graduates.

http://2016-17-ohio-annual-report.s3.amazonaws.com/index....

So 50% of our flagship sports were BSS majors. I'm pretty sure that's a higher % than the student body.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:34:29 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

giacomo wrote:

So 50% of our flagship sports were BSS majors. I'm pretty sure that's a higher % than the student body.

What college does one earn a BSS from? The one I'm most familiar with is the college of ed and I can't find it listed there anywhere.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:49:32 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

giacomo wrote:

So 50% of our flagship sports were BSS majors. I'm pretty sure that's a higher % than the student body.

What college does one earn a BSS from? The one I'm most familiar with is the college of ed and I can't find it listed there anywhere.

BSS is run out of the "University College", I believe they used to grant a "general degree".

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:49:47 PM

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giacomo wrote:

Thanks for the info. That is a pretty huge change from Bubba's Rec Mgmet, Tommy's Business, Wilkins Psych, Settys Rec Mgmt, Sayles Sport Mgmt, Tunji, Leon. Jerome etc.. ..... Would it be safe to say that change happened during the time while JC was here? Looking out at the players out in the workforce under the previous coaches they seem to be doing well and excelling. Will be interesting to see who goes where and in what kind of job they are able to land.

Comparing 14" All Academic MAC squad...I do not see a lot of specialized studies in that group. I think giacomo's OP is accurate and begs the question....why the sudden increase in numbers and percentages and is it only at Ohio or across the conference?

2013-14 MAC Men's Basketball Academic All-MAC Team
Will Regan, Buffalo, 3.646 GPA, Management
Chris Fowler, Central Michigan, 3.43 GPA, Theatre
John Simons, Central Michigan, 3.45 GPA, Accounting
Daylen Harrison, Eastern Michigan, 3.66 GPA, Chemistry
Connar Tava, Western Michigan, 3.45 GPA, Pre-Business

Honorable Mention
Carmelo Bentancourt, Akron, 3.209 GPA, Sports Studies � Sports Management
Reggie McAdams, Akron, 3.369 GPA, Mechanical Engineering
Blake Hibbitts, Central Michigan, 3.71 GPA, Accounting
Austin Stewart, Central Michigan, 3.43 GPA, Sociology (Criminal Justice)
Zach Saylor, Central Michigan, 3.42 GPA, Master�s Science Admin. (Sports Management)
Travis Wilkins, Ohio, 3.57 GPA, Psychology
Treg Setty, Ohio, 3.212 GPA, Recreation Management
Austin Richie, Western Michigan, 3.65 GPA, Pre-Organizational Communications
Kellen McCormick, Western Michigan, 3.26 GPA, Pre-Management

I am surprised and sitting with a bit of bated breath watching these 4 guys to see where they land. Thanks for following up with info.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:52:50 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Nice list Borna, and very interesting. One question though for anyone. WTH is "Pre-Organizational Communications"? In my experience "pre" means remedial. Just curious.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 10:58:41 PM

I dunno Pre Engineering, Pre Business eic. ... I don't think those kids who apply to the school of biz, engineering etc after gen studies are remedial students.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/7/2017 11:51:44 PM

Tarell Basham's degree was recreation and communications related. Corey Quallen's BSS was engineering related. Ceth Miller's was sports management related and he is currently working as an intern with Ohio. I could find the other football players specifications. As far as basketball, Jaaron Simmons majored in business and communications and Wadly and Khari's were sports management related. I could not find Tony's

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 12:05:26 AM

Of the 120 hours, 54 must be done at the 3000 level and 30 of the 54 have to be in the major. It is not relegated to one area like liberal arts, it can be a combination of minors like Jaaron's degree. Here is more information.
https://www.ohio.edu/southern/academics/degrees/bachelor-...

Overview
By it's nature, the specialized studies degree is unique to each individual. Making a general statement regarding career preparation impractical. The application process, however, requires a statement of rationale for pursuing the major and for selection of the curriculum plan. This statement includes the student's educational and career goals. Many B.S.S. students design a major with a specific career or graduate program in mind. The B.S.S. major has an internship option, which can further students' preparation for their particular career objectives.

Admissions
A student must have earned no less than 45 quarter hours and have a cumulative 2.0 grade point average. The student must complete an application form and discuss his or her program with a Southern Campus counselor. If the student intends to complete the degree on the Athens campus, he/she must meet with Athens faculty advisers and a counselor in the University College.

University Wide Graduation Requirements
To complete this program, students must meet all University wide graduation requirements.

Requirements
As a student in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies program, you may complete one or more academic minors, as long as the courses taken to meet the minor requirements are not included in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies area of concentration. You need to indicate your intention to complete a minor at the time you submit your Bachelor of Specialized Studies application. Curses required to earn a certificate may be included in the area of concentration.
Up to 32 hours earned through the Experimental Learning Program may be applied to the Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program. A maximum of 44 hours from the College of Business may be included in a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program.
Bachelor of Specialized Studies students may earn departmental honors thought University College. Students must have an accumulated GPA within the top 20 percent of the B.S.S. students to be eligible to earn departmental honors. An honors thesis is required. Guidelines and an application are available from the college office or online at www.ohio.edu/univcollege .

undergraduate

To Graduate with a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree, you must:
Earn 120 hours, of which at least 54 must be courses with catalog numbers at the 3000-level or above. This does not include graduate level courses.
Complete no fewer than 30 hours (the degree residency requirement) after being admitted to the specialized studies program. his total excludes any transfer credit, transient credit, Course Credit by Examination, Independent Study coursework, etc., fir which initial registration occurred prior to application to the specialized program.
Complete a minimum of 30 hours in the self-designed area of concentration approved by the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. The area of concentration can include courses that are completed, current and planned at the time of application. The courses included as current and planned in the concentration become requirements for graduation subject to change only by prior permission from a University College adviser and, in some cases, the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. At least 50 percent of the coursework take for the B.S.S. area of concentration must be completed at Ohio University.
Complete the University General Education Requirements.
Complete the minimum of 32 hours of Ohio University coursework to satisfy the University residency requirement.
Earn at least a 2.0 GPA in the area of concentration and overall. To have current credit hours included as part of the 30 hours B.S.S residency requirement, application must be submitted by the tenth week in the fall and spring semesters of the full summer semester.

For More Information Contact:

Kim T. Keffer, Ph.D.
Associate Lecturer
keffer@ohio.edu
740.533.4612
Office Riffe 274

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 6:49:01 AM

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Of the 120 hours, 54 must be done at the 3000 level and 30 of the 54 have to be in the major. It is not relegated to one area like liberal arts, it can be a combination of minors like Jaaron's degree. Here is more information.
https://www.ohio.edu/southern/academics/degrees/bachelor-...

Overview
By it's nature, the specialized studies degree is unique to each individual. Making a general statement regarding career preparation impractical. The application process, however, requires a statement of rationale for pursuing the major and for selection of the curriculum plan. This statement includes the student's educational and career goals. Many B.S.S. students design a major with a specific career or graduate program in mind. The B.S.S. major has an internship option, which can further students' preparation for their particular career objectives.

Admissions
A student must have earned no less than 45 quarter hours and have a cumulative 2.0 grade point average. The student must complete an application form and discuss his or her program with a Southern Campus counselor. If the student intends to complete the degree on the Athens campus, he/she must meet with Athens faculty advisers and a counselor in the University College.

University Wide Graduation Requirements
To complete this program, students must meet all University wide graduation requirements.

Requirements
As a student in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies program, you may complete one or more academic minors, as long as the courses taken to meet the minor requirements are not included in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies area of concentration. You need to indicate your intention to complete a minor at the time you submit your Bachelor of Specialized Studies application. Curses required to earn a certificate may be included in the area of concentration.
Up to 32 hours earned through the Experimental Learning Program may be applied to the Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program. A maximum of 44 hours from the College of Business may be included in a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program.
Bachelor of Specialized Studies students may earn departmental honors thought University College. Students must have an accumulated GPA within the top 20 percent of the B.S.S. students to be eligible to earn departmental honors. An honors thesis is required. Guidelines and an application are available from the college office or online at http://www.ohio.edu/univcollege .

undergraduate

To Graduate with a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree, you must:
Earn 120 hours, of which at least 54 must be courses with catalog numbers at the 3000-level or above. This does not include graduate level courses.
Complete no fewer than 30 hours (the degree residency requirement) after being admitted to the specialized studies program. his total excludes any transfer credit, transient credit, Course Credit by Examination, Independent Study coursework, etc., fir which initial registration occurred prior to application to the specialized program.
Complete a minimum of 30 hours in the self-designed area of concentration approved by the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. The area of concentration can include courses that are completed, current and planned at the time of application. The courses included as current and planned in the concentration become requirements for graduation subject to change only by prior permission from a University College adviser and, in some cases, the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. At least 50 percent of the coursework take for the B.S.S. area of concentration must be completed at Ohio University.
Complete the University General Education Requirements.
Complete the minimum of 32 hours of Ohio University coursework to satisfy the University residency requirement.
Earn at least a 2.0 GPA in the area of concentration and overall. To have current credit hours included as part of the 30 hours B.S.S residency requirement, application must be submitted by the tenth week in the fall and spring semesters of the full summer semester.

For More Information Contact:

Kim T. Keffer, Ph.D.
Associate Lecturer
mailto:mailto:keffer@ohio.edu
740.533.4612
Office Riffe 274

Just giving this a quick "once over" I found a couple of "land mines".

1.As I posted before,I went through O.U.'s Course Catalog.
There are an awful lot of 3000 and higher levels courses that we used to call "cake classes".

2.What exactly is an "Experimental Learning Program".

3.It seems like a significant portion of your course work may be from other then O.U.
This would include the online classes I talked about earlier.

As I've said,to me,the only way to really determine the relative value of the BSS is to see courses students,including athletes took.

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 7:19:49 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 7:18:29 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

I dunno Pre Engineering, Pre Business eic. ... I don't think those kids who apply to the school of biz, engineering etc after gen studies are remedial students.

Around here "pre-engineering" is a designation we use for classes a student has to take,pass, and in some cases ,get a certain grade, to be admitted into an engineering program.

This includes prerequisite classes like Trigonometry,Chemistry etc. that a student didn't take or do well enough in high school.

Some other schools require all incoming engineering students to take an admission exam to see their proficiency in math,science,etc.
If they have weaknesses in certain areas,they have to take "remedial" classes and and not only pass,but get a certain grade to move on.

"Remedial" somewhat of a misnomer.
One of our friend's sons had to take a pre-calculus class.
It was college level,but since you started engineering with calculus,it was
considered "remedial".
He also had to take the class twice to get a high enough grade.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 7:37:10 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

allen wrote:

Of the 120 hours, 54 must be done at the 3000 level and 30 of the 54 have to be in the major. It is not relegated to one area like liberal arts, it can be a combination of minors like Jaaron's degree. Here is more information.
https://www.ohio.edu/southern/academics/degrees/bachelor-...

Overview
By it's nature, the specialized studies degree is unique to each individual. Making a general statement regarding career preparation impractical. The application process, however, requires a statement of rationale for pursuing the major and for selection of the curriculum plan. This statement includes the student's educational and career goals. Many B.S.S. students design a major with a specific career or graduate program in mind. The B.S.S. major has an internship option, which can further students' preparation for their particular career objectives.

Admissions
A student must have earned no less than 45 quarter hours and have a cumulative 2.0 grade point average. The student must complete an application form and discuss his or her program with a Southern Campus counselor. If the student intends to complete the degree on the Athens campus, he/she must meet with Athens faculty advisers and a counselor in the University College.

University Wide Graduation Requirements
To complete this program, students must meet all University wide graduation requirements.

Requirements
As a student in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies program, you may complete one or more academic minors, as long as the courses taken to meet the minor requirements are not included in the Bachelor of Specialized Studies area of concentration. You need to indicate your intention to complete a minor at the time you submit your Bachelor of Specialized Studies application. Curses required to earn a certificate may be included in the area of concentration.
Up to 32 hours earned through the Experimental Learning Program may be applied to the Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program. A maximum of 44 hours from the College of Business may be included in a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree program.
Bachelor of Specialized Studies students may earn departmental honors thought University College. Students must have an accumulated GPA within the top 20 percent of the B.S.S. students to be eligible to earn departmental honors. An honors thesis is required. Guidelines and an application are available from the college office or online at http://www.ohio.edu/univcollege .

undergraduate

To Graduate with a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree, you must:
Earn 120 hours, of which at least 54 must be courses with catalog numbers at the 3000-level or above. This does not include graduate level courses.
Complete no fewer than 30 hours (the degree residency requirement) after being admitted to the specialized studies program. his total excludes any transfer credit, transient credit, Course Credit by Examination, Independent Study coursework, etc., fir which initial registration occurred prior to application to the specialized program.
Complete a minimum of 30 hours in the self-designed area of concentration approved by the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. The area of concentration can include courses that are completed, current and planned at the time of application. The courses included as current and planned in the concentration become requirements for graduation subject to change only by prior permission from a University College adviser and, in some cases, the Bachelor of Specialized Studies review committee. At least 50 percent of the coursework take for the B.S.S. area of concentration must be completed at Ohio University.
Complete the University General Education Requirements.
Complete the minimum of 32 hours of Ohio University coursework to satisfy the University residency requirement.
Earn at least a 2.0 GPA in the area of concentration and overall. To have current credit hours included as part of the 30 hours B.S.S residency requirement, application must be submitted by the tenth week in the fall and spring semesters of the full summer semester.

For More Information Contact:

Kim T. Keffer, Ph.D.
Associate Lecturer
mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:keffer@ohio.edu
740.533.4612
Office Riffe 274

A student can transfer over 60% of their coursework in most degrees, they just have to finish their last 30 hours at Ohio to meet their residency requirement. Every school offers experimental learning, including Harvard. I know this has been a juicy topic, probably sexy to some, but it has also been very speculative and demeaning at the same time. One kids specialized study degree revolved around engineering and we are still complaining. I have taken four on-line classes, two by exam and two traditional, my coursework was history. I had to read multiple books for all of the courses and in the traditional courses I had papers and exams just like my normal history classes. Until we see an event planner or sanitation engineer come through, we should stop.
https://hilt.harvard.edu/practice-terms/experiential-lear...

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 7:38:39 AM by allen

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 8:21:40 AM

How is it demeaning when it is essentially limited to three male sports? Also, until someone can produce the data on what percentage of the general student population has this same major so that the percentages can be compared, this looks a tad suspicious.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 8:27:58 AM

allen wrote:

A couple of things:

1.The link to Harvard made for interesting reading.But I want to know about O.U.'s "course" offerings in Experimental Learning.
I did a search for "Experimental Learning" on O.U.'s website.Nothing definitive came up.
If you have any information on it,please post a link.

2.If the listings on the Harvard site are any indication,Experimental Learning is not exactly academically rigorous.
The one "class","Engaging Students Via Field trips . . ." reminded me of the class trip in "To Sir With love".

3.I never said that there weren't legitimate,difficult, online classes.
In fact I said that some of the one's I've taken were.

What I did say was that there is a whole industry that provides online classes whose whole purpose is "easy A's ".

I go back to my original point.
Unless you can see the actual courses for all students in the BSS program,broken down by athlete/non athlete,there is no way to determine the "value" of the degree.

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Posted: 9/8/2017 9:21:54 AM

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allen wrote:

I agree. I remember when I was at Ohio, we could get one credit hour for going out on an anthpology dig. The history and anthropology departments would often go out and look for artifacts. I never went on one. I also remember another department offering a trip to Cuenca, Equador, there you could get Spanish credits. Here is some info on experimental learning at Ohio University as far as language.
Experimental Study of Language Certificate

Interdisciplinary complement to any undergraduate baccalaureate degree program.
Designed to enhance the preparation for students who plan to enter graduate study in an area of language investigation that has an experimental focus. Such areas include but are not restricted to communication sciences and disorders; experimental and applied phonetics; psycholinguistics; computational linguistics; and instructional design in language teaching.
Coursework from outside academic majors and research opportunities in the form of individual, guided research experiences in faculty research labs.
Core coursework that provides content in the areas of linguistics, psycholinguistics, statistics and research methods.
Senior thesis gives students experience in all steps involved in a research project.
More information is available on the program webpage of the academic catalog or by contacting Sally Marinellie, College of Health Sciences and Professions, at marinels@ohio.edu .

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 9:25:28 AM

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My question is, why is it suspicious if the programs are offered at ohio? Should we tell athletes that they cannot major in something that other students can major in? I have a friend that is a lawyer who got a BSS. Most of us don't know anything about the program. I bet a BSS is a lot more beneficial than an Art History degree.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 9:44:07 AM

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Sorry,but from reading what you just posted,and what you posted previously about Harvard,it seems the next thing you'll be able to get "Experimental Learning" credit for is writing a report on "How I Spent My Summer Vacation".

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 10:02:30 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 9:48:26 AM

allen wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

It's suspicious in the context of the original post about steering an athlete to this program and the fact that it's concentrated in three male sports,

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 10:57:48 AM

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allen wrote:

If that supports your narrative, lets go for it. They should cancel their daily two hour study tables. FS is complicit, so are the dean's and the school administration and the internet athletes go wild. Leave it to Peery Mason and friends.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 11:19:57 AM

Someone here is the definition of an apologist, unless of course the coaches are aspiring to play a player that "he's" already deemed to be better than the starter.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 11:29:00 AM

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My "narrative", as you call it,has nothing to do with Coach Solich.
It has to do with the value of a BSS degree,especially when it comes to athletes.

As I've said,without seeing a breakdown of the courses athletes and non athletes take to get a BSS degree ,there is no way to objectively assess the value of the curriculum,other then,in the case of athletes,keeping them eligible.

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Posted: 9/8/2017 12:29:59 PM

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Borna, this would be the data, and the information that started the entire post. Maybe stop trying to troll me and focus on the actual topic. 4 of 6 is I believe 66%.

Till the numbers and report was put up there I saw no evidence of what he was talking about. You put up that basketball was the biggest user. I had not seen that in my years around the program and I regualrly ask the athletes about their majors and their futures as many of them have been in my house and our lives. Once that report was put up there it was easy to see what was being discussed. No one is trolling you... you are just not that important...I know that risks getting sucker punched by a pool table or ticketed by parking but I assure you that all I care about is the information, accuracy and the discussion here.

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 12:37:27 PM

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allen wrote:

Most of our starters have pretty challenging and reputable majors as illustrated in a previous post. So if FS is telling them to pick easy majors, they must not be listening to him. This would lead me to believe that all of this is just a load of crap. Mike Mitchell, Taylor Price and TJ Carrie did not major in specialized studies. On the flip side, Landen Cohen majored in public relations which is a specialized studies major and he owns his own business and his business seems to be thriving. The crazy thing is that most people did not even know what it was, now they are subject matter experts.

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 12:51:25 PM by allen

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RE: What is Specialized Studies?

Posted: 9/8/2017 12:51:41 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Borna, this would be the data, and the information that started the entire post. Maybe stop trying to troll me and focus on the actual topic. 4 of 6 is I believe 66%.

The original post was clear, and if some would be a donor instead of taking freebies at every chance they get you would have seen this information in your mailbox. And if people would stop wreckless driving on motorcycles passing semi-trucks on double yellow lines the world would be a safer place.

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 1:07:02 PM by BillyTheCat

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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:43:00 PM

allen wrote:

Actually,the issue of the BSS has come up before in other threads,including the fact that it seems to be the successor of the previous General Studies Degree.
Guess BSS sounded better.

As far as being "subject matter experts",I think a number of posters,including myself,have taken the opposite position.

We're trying to find out exactly what courses were taken by athletes and non-athletes to get a BSS degree.

As to the degrees athletes are pursuing,no one is saying that some FB and BB players aren't pursuing "challenging and reputable" majors.
But they don't seem to be in the majority.

Last Edited: 9/8/2017 1:43:54 PM by rpbobcat

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