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I don 't agree that the swim team and volleyball should be paid, or should all the non revenue sports. For those student athletes the scholarship is fair compensation. It is also fair compensation at most schools, including ours. Revenue sports at the upper half of the P5 are the ones where it's out of whack. Check this out: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries / 85 football scholarships x $31,388* = $2,667,980 13 basketball scholarships x $31,388* = $408,044 Frank Solich = $488,000 Saul Phillips = $550,000 * = averaged cost of tuition, room and board for in-state and out-of-state students at Ohio. All for our subsidized entertainment which by the way has nothing to do with the true purpose of a college education. But what the heck, I can do it this year with a Mystic Mama. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,155 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/24/2017 12:56:23 PM  Alan Swank wrote: OUVan wrote: giacomo wrote: Andrew, I agree that pulling it off carries a lot of baggage and would be difficult. I don 't agree that the swim team and volleyball should be paid, or should all the non revenue sports. For those student athletes the scholarship is fair compensation. It is also fair compensation at most schools, including ours. Revenue sports at the upper half of the P5 are the ones where it's out of whack. Check this out: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries / 85 football scholarships x $31,388* = $2,667,980 13 basketball scholarships x $31,388* = $408,044 Frank Solich = $488,000 Saul Phillips = $550,000 * = averaged cost of tuition, room and board for in-state and out-of-state students at Ohio. All for our subsidized entertainment which by the way has nothing to do with the true purpose of a college education. But what the heck, I can do it this year with a Mystic Mama. The entertainment is more subsidized for some people more than others. If you don't think that the lessons learned in playing sports is part of the "true purpose" of a college education, you may be missing something. But that's just my opinion. I wonder how you reconcile your statement with the fact that someplace like the US Air Force Academy requires all their students to participate in some form of athletics at least at the intramural level, and they have 30 or so varsity teams. They must figure its part of their "true purpose", but their purpose may be a little different than at Ohio. I think athletics adds value to the college experience, I'm just not wanting college athletes to be professionals, I guess. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/24/2017 8:39:16 PM  Everyone makes good points in this discussion. I keep coming back to coaches salaries and the mind set of players. When I played I had no idea what Dale Bandy or Danny Nee was paid. In retrospect it was fair. But if I were a top player at Michigan, playing before sellout crowds and on national TV every week and I had a microphone in my face and being quoted in newspapers, and I knew, which they do, that coach Jim Harbaugh makes 9M a year, it would piss me off. They don't come to see him coach, they come to see me play. I just think that something has to give regarding this situation. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/25/2017 12:40:57 AM  Ohio69 wrote: It is interesting that the one line in there about the value of a scholarship (as high as $200,000) is basically a throwaway line. So if you are "working" 20 hours per week on your sport for 9 months, that's 720 hours. $50K per year value divided by 720 hours per year is $69.44 per hour. And you can often get a useful college degree at the end of those 4 years. Not a bad gig. No? Are the athletes worth more? Some are probably worth more. Some not at all. Anyway, just a quick thought I had in reading that. Marian Boata was obviously UNDERPAID!!!!!!! Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/25/2017 12:24:52 PM  giacomo wrote: Everyone makes good points in this discussion. I keep coming back to coaches salaries and the mind set of players. When I played I had no idea what Dale Bandy or Danny Nee was paid. In retrospect it was fair. But if I were a top player at Michigan, playing before sellout crowds and on national TV every week and I had a microphone in my face and being quoted in newspapers, and I knew, which they do, that coach Jim Harbaugh makes 9M a year, it would piss me off. They don't come to see him coach, they come to see me play. I just think that something has to give regarding this situation. Actually, there might be some people who do watch Mich football just to see Harbaugh coach. I hate his bravado, but it does the focus off the players. Maybe makes them more relaxed so they can just play the game. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/25/2017 12:50:54 PM  Pataskala wrote: giacomo wrote: Everyone makes good points in this discussion. I keep coming back to coaches salaries and the mind set of players. When I played I had no idea what Dale Bandy or Danny Nee was paid. In retrospect it was fair. But if I were a top player at Michigan, playing before sellout crowds and on national TV every week and I had a microphone in my face and being quoted in newspapers, and I knew, which they do, that coach Jim Harbaugh makes 9M a year, it would piss me off. They don't come to see him coach, they come to see me play. I just think that something has to give regarding this situation. Actually, there might be some people who do watch Mich football just to see Harbaugh coach. I hate his bravado, but it does the focus off the players. Maybe makes them more relaxed so they can just play the game. New NCAA rules on coach behavior, directed at coaches like Harbaugh. We shall see how the rule is enforced, but the gist is, if they come on the field you whack them with a sideline warning, if they are on the field arguing, its a UNS, if they throw a clipboard or headset regardless of where they are its a UNS. Should be interesting. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/25/2017 11:45:47 PM  BTC, does the coach with a UNS automatically get ejected? If so, that'll make some things very interesting . . . The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Start Paying The Players    Posted: 8/27/2017 2:03:15 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: BTC, does the coach with a UNS automatically get ejected? If so, that'll make some things very interesting . . . No, need two for the ejection. 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