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Topic:  Good article on AAU and HS basketball
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bornacatfan
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  Message Not Read  Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/8/2017 11:25:46 AM 
Good for discussion. http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/08/aau-is-dominating-h...

At the highest levels it may have an effect but I hardly think when I show up to a game between 2 high schools on a Friday night in IL, IN or Ohio that AAU is a competitor that will run HS competitions into obscurity.

I have oft wondered why it is referred to as AAU. None of the exposure events have any affiliation with AAU. They are all staged by organizations making big bucks off the athletes, teams, parents paying to attend and concessions at all day events. To even suggest that the AAU has any hand in them is quite entertaining to me. To blame "AAU" basketball for anything is ludicrous as the actual AAU has no part of Summer Ball or Exposure events.


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/8/2017 3:12:54 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Good for discussion. http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/08/aau-is-dominating-h...

At the highest levels it may have an effect but I hardly think when I show up to a game between 2 high schools on a Friday night in IL, IN or Ohio that AAU is a competitor that will run HS competitions into obscurity.

I have oft wondered why it is referred to as AAU. None of the exposure events have any affiliation with AAU. They are all staged by organizations making big bucks off the athletes, teams, parents paying to attend and concessions at all day events. To even suggest that the AAU has any hand in them is quite entertaining to me. To blame "AAU" basketball for anything is ludicrous as the actual AAU has no part of Summer Ball or Exposure events.


Kind of like the folks who still refer to club volleyball as JO ball - JO standing for junior olympics.

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bornacatfan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/8/2017 6:31:02 PM 
Club basketball is probably more accurate than Summer Ball or Exposure events Ball or anything else.

My dad was a volleyball official starting back in the 70's at the HS and Collegiate level but JO ball is something I have never heard of....being in Muncie since the 80s with Munciana dominating Club ball, "club" is a terminology they have used here for several decades. Was JO Ball prior to Title IX or did it come in with that?

Going back I remember my Pops following the Asian teams clear back to the Rome and Tokyo Olympics on both the mens and womens sides when I was a kid.


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/8/2017 9:14:24 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Club basketball is probably more accurate than Summer Ball or Exposure events Ball or anything else.

My dad was a volleyball official starting back in the 70's at the HS and Collegiate level but JO ball is something I have never heard of....being in Muncie since the 80s with Munciana dominating Club ball, "club" is a terminology they have used here for several decades. Was JO Ball prior to Title IX or did it come in with that?

Going back I remember my Pops following the Asian teams clear back to the Rome and Tokyo Olympics on both the mens and womens sides when I was a kid.


When I was VP of the state volleyball coaches association here in Ohio in the late 80s, early 90s, JO was the term used and hated by the old school vb coaches. They looked down no the "club" coaches as being outlaws not bound by the rules and integrity of the OHSAA. In fact, kids had to get JO waivers to play club ball. Things began to change around 1991 or 92 and they went to a three player rule. My daughter benefited from that and played club ball starting in 95 and eventually played D 3 ball at Marietta. Like basketball today, if you don't play club ball you probably aren't going to play anywhere in college.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/8/2017 10:44:17 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Good for discussion. http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/08/aau-is-dominating-h...

At the highest levels it may have an effect but I hardly think when I show up to a game between 2 high schools on a Friday night in IL, IN or Ohio that AAU is a competitor that will run HS competitions into obscurity.

I have oft wondered why it is referred to as AAU. None of the exposure events have any affiliation with AAU. They are all staged by organizations making big bucks off the athletes, teams, parents paying to attend and concessions at all day events. To even suggest that the AAU has any hand in them is quite entertaining to me. To blame "AAU" basketball for anything is ludicrous as the actual AAU has no part of Summer Ball or Exposure events.


Okay, I don't understand this article at all. I don't see AAU ruining HS basketball. They are two completely different animals and co-exist. AAU may be replacing high school as the main recruiting environment but I don't understand how that hurts high school ball. Kids are still packing the gym on high school tryout days.

I think the AAU moniker goes back to the days when AAU was the only real organization out there sanctioning amateur sports. Now it's just a blanket term used for all travel teams.

Last Edited: 8/9/2017 6:48:36 AM by OUVan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/9/2017 2:23:01 PM 
Do Ohio and Indiana have high school summer leagues?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/9/2017 9:52:13 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Do Ohio and Indiana have high school summer leagues?


High Schools play very aggressive summer ball the entire month of June. Most "AAU" teams shut down the month of June while HS ball teams play week night leagues at local colleges and weekend tourneys at team camps promoted by Universities like Purdue, Ball St, X, tO$U and Ohio (which was full by April and referred overflow teams to X)

Considering how the Universities use these team camps to expose athletes to their programs and cater to HS and Club programs almost shut down in June for HS activity ....and with the continued support for HS sports by communities here in the Flyover States I hardly see "AAU" making a dent....maybe moreso out east or on the west coast but out here in the heartland HS sports are still very much alive and well...well there is the conglomeration of talent and Club program teamies tend to follow each other in states where open enrollment is allowed. North COllege Hill had most of D1 Greyhounds playing together for example.



Last Edited: 8/9/2017 9:52:59 PM by bornacatfan


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Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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Joe McKinley
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  Message Not Read  RE: Good article on AAU and HS basketball
   Posted: 8/11/2017 3:56:57 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
OUVan wrote:
Do Ohio and Indiana have high school summer leagues?


High Schools play very aggressive summer ball the entire month of June. Most "AAU" teams shut down the month of June while HS ball teams play week night leagues at local colleges and weekend tourneys at team camps promoted by Universities like Purdue, Ball St, X, tO$U and Ohio (which was full by April and referred overflow teams to X)

Considering how the Universities use these team camps to expose athletes to their programs and cater to HS and Club programs almost shut down in June for HS activity ....and with the continued support for HS sports by communities here in the Flyover States I hardly see "AAU" making a dent....maybe moreso out east or on the west coast but out here in the heartland HS sports are still very much alive and well...well there is the conglomeration of talent and Club program teamies tend to follow each other in states where open enrollment is allowed. North COllege Hill had most of D1 Greyhounds playing together for example.



Spot on in terms of what happens in June here in Ohio -- 10 coaching days are taken up by one day shootouts at universities large and small, team camps and even the old school Eastern Ohio Camp with outdoor courts which is run by the Huggins family. Some coaches will do their own four-team sessions or use a day or two with just their own players to install offensive sets/defenses. In addition, players can form their own school-based teams without a coach present and play in leagues. Kids also know the open gym schedules and will often go play as a unit in each other's gyms.

Where I have seen the impact of spring basketball teams in Ohio is with school enrollment. Players use open enrollment or their families take an apartment in a district in order to play school basketball with spring teammates.

This happened often enough and there was inconsistent application among school districts of their own guidelines that OHSAA members put in a by-law that states once a student has started 9th grade in a school she/he will forfeit 50% of the maximum allowable scheduled contests in the next season. I think this applies to any sport that the student/athlete played at the previous school, but I don't know for sure.

A few in this area have moved multiple times. One by-product of the new approach is that parents will shop athletic programs during their child's 8th grade school year or before summer workouts begin.

Student/athlete movement happens across sports -- I've seen it in wrestling, volleyball, baseball, tennis and softball. But, it seems to happen most often in football and both girls/boys basketball.



Last Edited: 8/11/2017 4:18:17 PM by Joe McKinley

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