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Topic: RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Topic: RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 3:42:03 PM

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

I hate having UNOH as an actual game with three other most-likely crappy buy games....

We get it - it's very clear that you're annoyed with the schedule for the 21st year in a row. Could we at least wait to bitch about buy games until we see who they actually are?

Prairie View, Coppin State & Alabama A&M.

Nuff. Said.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 3:57:45 PM

Road trip to Maryland.....me likey, especially cause we got tickets there.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 4:45:38 PM

Why not just go all the way and apply for SWAC membership?

This schedule is terrible. There is no justification for this crap.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 4:50:19 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Why not just go all the way and apply for SWAC membership?

This schedule is terrible. There is no justification for this crap.

WINNER! What do we have behind curtain #1 for our champion ....

HOW ABOUT AN ALL EXPENSE, PAID TRIP TO THE SWAC TOURNAMENT! Where you can watch all of Ohio's great non-conference competition battle for a spot in the coverted NCAA play-in game.

Woo. Hoo.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 4:52:33 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Why not just go all the way and apply for SWAC membership?

This schedule is terrible. There is no justification for this crap.

You can go two different ways with this ....

Some will say, "Well, it's only four games vs. not-so-great competition"

While others (like me) will say, "It's a quarter of our out-of-conference season against teams that are either 300+ RPI dumpster fires or aren't even Division One?!?! That's over half of our home schedule in the non-conference against absolute trash!"

Last Edited: 8/9/2017 4:54:05 PM by bshot44

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 5:01:18 PM

Officially Release:

http://ohiobobcats.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule

As B to B noted, at Maryland 2 weeks after the trip to Charleston. Opportunities for strong RPI wins in it, and probably 3-4 games on national TV depending on what happens in Charleston.

Last Edited: 8/9/2017 5:03:47 PM by OU_Country

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 5:03:02 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Why not just go all the way and apply for SWAC membership?

This schedule is terrible. There is no justification for this crap.

Are you referring specifically to the home schedule, or the whole schedule?

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 5:12:45 PM

bshot44 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

I hate having UNOH as an actual game with three other most-likely crappy buy games....

We get it - it's very clear that you're annoyed with the schedule for the 21st year in a row. Could we at least wait to bitch about buy games until we see who they actually are?

Prairie View, Coppin State & Alabama A&M.

Nuff. Said.

Vs Clemson, potentially Dayton, and potentially Old Dominion/Temple/Auburn. At Maryland, vs Iona, vs WKU, and at Marshall.

Potential for 8 strong games, and a certainty for 5-6 strong games.

Nuff. Said. Maybe you had a bad day at work?

Now if your bitch is the home schedule, I suppose the Dec 29th game is something to complain about. From and RPI standpoint, Alabama A&M/Coppin/PV A&M are as well.

In terms of a schedule that tests the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

Last Edited: 8/9/2017 5:14:10 PM by OU_Country

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 5:19:11 PM

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

I hate having UNOH as an actual game with three other most-likely crappy buy games....

We get it - it's very clear that you're annoyed with the schedule for the 21st year in a row. Could we at least wait to bitch about buy games until we see who they actually are?

Prairie View, Coppin State & Alabama A&M.

Nuff. Said.

Vs Clemson, potentially Dayton, and potentially Old Dominion/Temple/Auburn. At Maryland, vs Iona, vs WKU, and at Marshall.

Potential for 8 strong games, and a certainty for 5-6 strong games.

Nuff. Said.

Now if your bitch is the home schedule, I suppose the Dec 29th game is something to complain about. From and RPI standpoint, Alabama A&M/Coppin/PV A&M are as well.

In terms of a schedule that test the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

I didn't say it was worse than last year. My point was the buy games are absolute trash (as is the non-D1 game)....which is a point I made months ago that you had me pumping the breaks on until the schedule was released.

As I said ....

bshot44 wrote:

As well ...

bshot44 wrote:

Some real DOGS from the SWAC...disappointng.

Like at Maryland and getting MSM, WKU & Iona at home.

All in all...it's okay...not great.

Hate to see the four total trash games...seems like two too many ... but Saul tried to justify it with roster changes as reason. What was reason last year with experienced team? Seems like more hot air.

This is what we can pretty much expect in non-conference schedules is my guess.

Not at-large worthy...but better than CMU garbage

So yeah...it's not bad. But it ain't great.

Even if Ohio were to beat Clemson, Dayton and Maryland .... those games vs. Prairie View, Coppin and Alabama A&M will crush the RPI as well as any hope for well attended home non-conference games. Those games are awful. Period.

One ... okay. Two ... maybe (if you drop the non-D1) .... but all three AND a non-D1!??! C'mon man! That's not what a prideful mid-major schedules if they hope to turn the corner as a program and elevate themselves.

Last Edited: 8/9/2017 5:19:50 PM by bshot44

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 7:29:24 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Prairie View, Coppin State & Alabama A&M.

Nuff. Said.

Prairie View (313)
Coppin State (343)
Alabama A&M (351)

Ugh

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 7:58:08 PM

OU_Country wrote:

In terms of a schedule that tests the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

It is definitely better than last year but I just don't see the reason why you would need to schedule more than one of those 300+ teams. Are we saving tons of money by playing those teams?

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:07:35 PM

sorted by Final RPI:

30 v.Dayton or 196 v.Hofstra
34 @Maryland
68 v.Clemson
88 Iona

112 @Marshall
113 v.Auburn, or 135 v.Temple, or 136 v.ODU, or 233 v.Ind St.
150 Mount St Mary's

226 Western Kentucky

307 Prairie View A&M
336 Coppin St
351 Alabama A&M
NAIA Northwestern Ohio

MY STATE. MY TEAM.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:08:03 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

We go through this SAME argument every year when the schedule starts to come out. Last year Urbana, now NW Ohio this year.

Some schools like EMU and NIU have been scheduling three or four games a season like this. We should count ourselves lucky it's only one game for Ohio.

Count ourselves lucky? Are you kidding me? Aren't we the premier basketball school in the MAC with the most fans per game and the highest paid coach? Yes, we can do better than that.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 8:14:41 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

30 v.Dayton or 196 v.Hofstra
34 @Maryland
68 v.Clemson
88 Iona

112 @Marshall
113 v.Auburn, or 135 v.Temple, or 136 v.ODU, or 233 v.Ind St.
150 Mount St Mary's

226 Western Kentucky

This part of the schedule is solid particularly since Maryland and Marshall are the only two true road games. WKU is going to be a ton better than that 226.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 9:24:23 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

The schedule is fine outside of those three 300+ games. It's a shame because if you replace those three teams with teams in the 200's all of a sudden our schedule look a lot better.

Really hope we get to play Dayton, but that means we have to beat Clemson most likely.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 9:47:33 PM

Sad about no Cleveland State series. Would rather that home/home with a game at the Q.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/9/2017 10:26:38 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

Don't forget about the non-D1 game too!

Four worthless games.

You're right, you replace those four games and you have a good schedule.

But that's a quarter of the non-conference season vs. trash

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:16:05 AM

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

In terms of a schedule that tests the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

It is definitely better than last year but I just don't see the reason why you would need to schedule more than one of those 300+ teams. Are we saving tons of money by playing those teams?

THIS is really a great question, and I wish I knew the answer to it because it's a big part of the equation.

As much as I tire of complaints about scheduling, I totally understand the complaint about scheduling multiple SWAC/MEAC schools. Locally, we'd all get more out of Cleveland State as noted, or some OVC/Horizon/Summit/Colonial/MVC or even SoCon opponents. As I often say though, it takes two to tango in the scheduling world.

I also am not a savvy enough RPI/SOS guy to know what winning games over the 3 SWAC/MEAC schools does or doesn't do to hurt our team. I am savvy enough to know that in terms of excitement for a particular opponent, they don't move the needle at all. I think if you're enough of a Bobcat/mid-major basketball fan, there are still 3-4 games outside of the Charleston trip that should peak your interest.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:33:49 AM

OU_Country wrote:

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

In terms of a schedule that tests the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

It is definitely better than last year but I just don't see the reason why you would need to schedule more than one of those 300+ teams. Are we saving tons of money by playing those teams?

Just playing vs. three 300+ RPI teams kills your numbers. Just kills them. Even winning those games does nothing to help your cause. It's literally a schedule killer. I couldn't agree more on your idea of adding teams from those other leagues. The Mount St. Mary's addition should be our floor for buy games. That's a good game vs. a decent low-level mid-major. Would have been nice to replace those SWAC teams with maybe a UT-Martin or a Bradley or a UW-Green Bay. Not necessarily a Top 100 team...but at least a Top 200 team or right around 200 at worst.

There is no need for Ohio, the premier program in the MAC, to be playing those 300+ trash teams. None. Zero. They shouldn't even be in the rolodex.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:36:15 AM

Also for consideration:

https://twitter.com/JasonAmessenger/status/89536829377475...

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 10:37:29 AM

bshot44 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

OUVan wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

In terms of a schedule that tests the team, isn't this closer to what everyone has asked for? Games against P5 schools, and tougher games?

It is definitely better than last year but I just don't see the reason why you would need to schedule more than one of those 300+ teams. Are we saving tons of money by playing those teams?

Mount St Marys is actually a pretty good team. They were their conference champion last year.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 11:31:55 AM

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Also for consideration:

https://twitter.com/JasonAmessenger/status/89536829377475...

I'd ilke to believe that at face value....but why last year, with an experienced team back (AC, Jaaron, KK, Dartis, etc) did our schedule stink?

I'll believe the schedule is going to beef up when I see it.

We had a pretty bad schedule last year with an experienced team.

And I do agree Mount St. Mary's is a good home game. Those are the type of games that should be the "worst" on our schedule. Not one we point to as one of the better games.

It's a buy game ... so why not buy games. vs. similar opponents instead of this SWAC dumpster fires?

Call me skeptical .... but I think this is what our schedule is going to be year in and year out ... and until that changes, all the talk is just talk.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 12:46:04 PM

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Call me skeptical .... but I think this is what our schedule is going to be year in and year out ... and until that changes, all the talk is just talk.

Next time you make it to a Caravan stop, come armed with good questions about how the scheduling of "buy games" and varied conferences they choose happens.

Like Van said, could be that the budget for these games fits the budget that year. It could also be that other, more regionally interesting schools in comparable conferences weren't willing to come on the dates that Ohio had open. Or maybe they aren't willing to play more than a home and home, and Ohio wants a 2 for 1 with a school like Murray State or Fort Wayne, or Cleveland State.

I don't know, but there's a reason out there somewhere because I'm sure that the goal isn't to produce a schedule that fans will complain about. Though with some, we could play the whole B1G in December and they'd be ticked that every game was on the road. Can't please 'em all.

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/10/2017 2:25:20 PM

I'm mostly fine with the schedule - there are indeed four cupcake teams, whatever. Get the Frosh tons of playing time in those. I do believe it when Saul says the schedule would have been more challenging if Simmons and Campbell were back (Culver & the two other transfers too).

Both Nov and December have challenges. The tourney in Nov will get us good competition and the AT Maryland, WKU, and AT Marshall stretch is also nice.

Mt Saint Marys and Iona should be competitive too although Iona lost all of their top scorers from last year so they are very different from that tournament team that beat us last yr.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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RE: 16-17 Non-conference schedule

Posted: 8/11/2017 9:54:16 AM

OU_Country wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Call me skeptical .... but I think this is what our schedule is going to be year in and year out ... and until that changes, all the talk is just talk.

There's just a touch of extremism in your response.

I don't think I'm asking Ohio to play home games vs Kentucky, Kansas & Duke. Or even play them on the road.

My point is they shouldn't be playing three games vs sh***y SWAC schools AND a non-D1.

And if Ohio wants a 2-for-1 with schools like Murray, CSU or IPFW....they should adjust their ego. Ohio isn't a mid-major powerhouse.

If you think the best Ohio can do is Ala A&M, Prairie View and Coppin... wow. Just, wow.

And if you think Saul is going to be fully honest with some chucklehead fan that shows up at a caravan and asks him why we're scheduling SWAC sisters of the poor... you're nuts! They'll always give the company line about how they're working hard to get the best schedule, blah, blah, blah.

It still doesnt answer why we played a dogs**t schedule last year with a veteran, experienced team? What was "excuse" for that?

And for someone that is tired of the scheduling griping, you spend a lot of time trying to defend it.

I know they'll never make everyone happy ... but jeez...4 SWAC/Non D1s is borderline embarrassing for this program. You mean you can't get better or challenge yourself against some other teams...even if it's hitting road for another similar mid-major?

Would you rather be 7-5 with losses to quality opponents where you were challenged or 10-2 with wins over pathetic competition? What gets you more prepared for the grueling MAC season & Cleveland?

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