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AlumDadDad
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   Posted: 5/2/2017 12:34:40 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Part of the issues you lay out are related to a growing need by fans to be nationally relevant and competitive at all times. It contributes to the poor fan support. Why can't we just enjoy supporting our team game by game, regardless of the standing they are in at the moment?



BayCat wrote:
My sentiments echo Mr. Ruck's post. Why can't we treat OU athletics the way my dog treats me. Unconditional love. Regardless of how well or not well we are performing. Go to Athens. Enjoy the experience regardless of wins and losses. Bleed Green and White all the time.


This is a winning argument in my book. Don't most of us support Ohio Basketball even if they aren't a MAC Champion?

As an added example, I've been a Cincinnati hoops fan for about 18-20 years, longer than I've been a Bobcat. There were some REALLY lean years early on with Mick Cronin. My level of being a fan hasn't waned. I still try to get to a game or two when I'm not coming to Athens. I still enjoy it, and spending the day with family and friends. In all, I was in an arena all but about 3 weekends during hoops season last year. 2-3 I had no rooting interest. The rest I did. One of the best times was in Ann Arbor, and I didn't care who won.

At the end of the day, this is my entertainment. As I get older, I find myself trying to see it that way. Getting angry if they lose a game really means that I lose, because I'm not appreciating the fun I should have had all day while being in Athens, or Cincinnati, or any other town watching the game, having an adult soda, with good friends and family.

You can be a heel and say that's accepting losing, or mediocrity, or whatever. But the game result, and the team success isn't most important in MY life. Following the team and rooting them on towards success is my enjoyment, and part of my life.


You sir, are guilty of incredibly rational thought...are you sure you're on the right message board...?
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   Posted: 5/2/2017 4:20:51 PM 
AlumDadDad wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Part of the issues you lay out are related to a growing need by fans to be nationally relevant and competitive at all times. It contributes to the poor fan support. Why can't we just enjoy supporting our team game by game, regardless of the standing they are in at the moment?



BayCat wrote:
My sentiments echo Mr. Ruck's post. Why can't we treat OU athletics the way my dog treats me. Unconditional love. Regardless of how well or not well we are performing. Go to Athens. Enjoy the experience regardless of wins and losses. Bleed Green and White all the time.


This is a winning argument in my book. Don't most of us support Ohio Basketball even if they aren't a MAC Champion?

As an added example, I've been a Cincinnati hoops fan for about 18-20 years, longer than I've been a Bobcat. There were some REALLY lean years early on with Mick Cronin. My level of being a fan hasn't waned. I still try to get to a game or two when I'm not coming to Athens. I still enjoy it, and spending the day with family and friends. In all, I was in an arena all but about 3 weekends during hoops season last year. 2-3 I had no rooting interest. The rest I did. One of the best times was in Ann Arbor, and I didn't care who won.

At the end of the day, this is my entertainment. As I get older, I find myself trying to see it that way. Getting angry if they lose a game really means that I lose, because I'm not appreciating the fun I should have had all day while being in Athens, or Cincinnati, or any other town watching the game, having an adult soda, with good friends and family.

You can be a heel and say that's accepting losing, or mediocrity, or whatever. But the game result, and the team success isn't most important in MY life. Following the team and rooting them on towards success is my enjoyment, and part of my life.


You sir, are guilty of incredibly rational thought...are you sure you're on the right message board...?


The NCAA needs to start giving out participation trophies, we are creating over zealous fans and preparing young men for the real world by having championships. Most palayers have a goal of playing professional ball and it hurts their psyche to have them mimic professional sports in college, it's too early for that. The university's should continue to pay coaches 500k-millions to participate. We as fans go to the game to see an experience, not to win. We are just like any other fanbase.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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   Posted: 5/2/2017 4:25:43 PM 
allen wrote:
The NCAA needs to start giving out participation trophies, we are creating over zealous fans and preparing young men for the real world by having championships. Most palayers have a goal of playing professional ball and it hurts their psyche to have them mimic professional sports in college, it's too early for that. The university's should continue to pay coaches 500k-millions to participate. We as fans go to the game to see an experience, not to win. We are just like any other fanbase.


If there were a trophy on this fan board for posting rambling nonsense, you'd be in the running for the championship. Congrats!
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   Posted: 5/2/2017 4:54:15 PM 
341 schools and 13 schollys per school.....MOST players DO NOT think they are going pro. MOST players are happy and fulfilled to get a D1 ride and strive to have a good career while getting school paid for... they are hopeful for Overseas chances and some are HOPEFUL to get drafted but MOST are just happy to be able to play college ball. That is a fact you can take to the bank....and you can verify it by talking to the athletes, listening to interviews, reading their Tweets or a myriad of ways. The number that are talking about getting drafted or continuing their career is a small % of the total number who are D1 athletes and an even smaller number of D2, 3 and NAIA.

3500 players per year and 2 rounds of the draft... delusion has set in if there is a thought that MOST players are looking to go pro. MOST are not stupid and MOST are not delusional.

Anyone who thinks MOST are thinking that way is either very close friends with a small and select group of elite athletes and is sheltered from the breadth and depth of the NCAA athlete, delusional or just making stuff up.

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   Posted: 5/2/2017 5:02:03 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
341 schools and 13 schollys per school.....MOST players DO NOT think they are going pro. MOST players are happy and fulfilled to get a D1 ride and strive to have a good career while getting school paid for... they are hopeful for Overseas chances and some are HOPEFUL to get drafted but MOST are just happy to be able to play college ball. That is a fact you can take to the bank....and you can verify it by talking to the athletes, listening to interviews, reading their Tweets or a myriad of ways. The number that are talking about getting drafted or continuing their career is a small % of the total number who are D1 athletes and an even smaller number of D2, 3 and NAIA.

3500 players per year and 2 rounds of the draft... delusion has set in if there is a thought that MOST players are looking to go pro. MOST are not stupid and MOST are not delusional.

Anyone who thinks MOST are thinking that way is either very close friends with a small and select group of elite athletes and is sheltered from the breadth and depth of the NCAA athlete, delusional or just making stuff up.


Most players want to play professional ball, thousands go overseas. NCAA athletes do value academics, 72% of athletes pick schools for academic reasons, most would love to go to the NBA. That is why kids transfer for playing time. We have to stop speaking off the cuff to ourselves or being fake authorities on stuff. It is not delusional to have dreams and goals, it is MEDIOCRE not to dream or have goals. I am not going to say in my 90 years of recruiting to trump you, I am going to present facts. From the attached article, not an emotional opinion or a get Allen narrative.

Men's hoops players are the most unrealistic. More than three-quarters of men’s basketball players in Division I say they believe it is at least “somewhat likely” they will play professionally. More than half of Division II players say the same, as do 21 percent of Division III players. Only 1.2 percent of college basketball players will be drafted by a National Basketball Association team.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/01/27/college-at...

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   Posted: 5/2/2017 5:03:14 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Optimist, his name is Dale Bandy. I played for him and he was and still is a great guy.

I edited my post to correct Bundy to Bandy... A simple typo, not assaulting his character. I will always root for Ohio. Win or lose, the coaches and players will have my support.

BillyTheCat wrote:

let's not use 20 games as a benchmark when comparing the two eras....20 wins today is NOTHING like 20 wins in the 60's, 70's or 80's.

I added win % in my 2nd post and it is still notably higher today than it was in the 70s. I'd love for someone to provide some data supporting the "slow, gentle decline" of the program.

Anxiously awaiting the argument explaining how double digit loses in the first round of the tournament are better than wins over Georgetown and Michigan.

Last Edited: 5/2/2017 5:04:01 PM by The Optimist

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   Posted: 5/2/2017 5:45:48 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Your analysis I think is a bit flawed. First, in referencing the 69-70 and 12 year subsequent period we played a max of 26 games a year. Since 2004-05 it's been 32-35 games a year. Naturally we should have more 20+ seasons when we're playing an extra 7 or 8 games a year. Next, our schedule back in the 70's blows away what it is today.

And times have changed with the NCAA and the size of the field. The NCAA tournament expanded its field of teams from 25 to 32 in 1975, to 48 in 1980, to 64 in 1985, and to 68 teams in 2011.

Rather than raw win totals, I'll show win % over the same timeframe. We play more games today, but we win more of the games we do play.
69... 04...
80% 78%
71% 71%
62% 68%
59% 66%
59% 66%
58% 63%
48% 61%
46% 59%
42% 59%
35% 54%
31% 47%
26% 33%
Total Total
51% 60%

The NCAA Tournament field has changed, and that has been GOOD for Ohio, not bad...

We lost to Notre Dame by 30 and lost to Marquette by 24 in 1973 then played them again two years later and lost by 26.

vs.

We lost to Florida by 5, beat Georgetown by 14, lost to Tennessee by 15, beat Michigan by 5, beat South Florida by 6 and lost to North Carolina by 8 in OT.


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As far as success over the years Jim Snyder was a long time fixture in Athens and well respected. Later we had Danny Nee who did well in the 80's. These days too many coaches jump at the first bigger $$$$ offer they see. And it often comes back to haunt them (Groce and probably Christian too).


Funny you mention Danny Nee... Didn't he leave Ohio for Nebraska?

Same timeframe
Jim Snyder, Dale Bandy, Danny Nee
Tim O'Shea, John Groce, Jim Christian, Saul Phillips

3 coaches vs 4 coaches. Similar to player loyalty, I would love for our coaches to stick around. I hope Saul Phillips has a career similar to Jim Snyder who coached Ohio for 25 years, but if you give me the choice between Dale Bandy coaching Ohio for 6 years (5 losing seasons) and John Groce or Danny Nee who led Ohio to NCAA Tournament wins but left for bigger jobs, I'll take the NCAA wins.



Your 51% vs. 60% again misses a major aspect ... scheduling. Go look at the schedules in the early 70's. We were playing a much stronger schedule ... OSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, Va. Tech, etc. I saw a lot of those games and playing stronger competition, even when we lost was more enjoyable that playing Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Alcorn State, etc. So comparing the 51% to 60% I think is comparing oranges to apples.

Maybe I'm missing what you mean relative to Danny Nee. Yes, he left for a better job. But he lasted 14 years at Nebraska with 5 trips to the NCAA and another 5 to the NIT. Groce was let go after 5 at Illinois and Christian's days are probably numbered. So I see Nee as more successful in taking the next step up, especially since Nebraska was football country. Being in the shadows of Tom Osborne had to be a challenge but he did quite well.
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 5:56:32 AM 
I was at those games in 1969. The Convo was packed out and we were jumping out of our seats. Those are some of my fondest memories. I watch all the games on ESPN 3 and have enjoyed and suffered with the Cats. Yep....frustration of no Tourney appearance for a while now. Hoping the new players will stick all 4 years !
Need big guys under the basket or shoot lights out from the 3 line. (to get to the tourney and play a second game or more)
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 9:23:50 AM 
Basketball in the winter of 1969 was awesome. The Convo was packed and fans were jumping out of their seats. (No O Zone back then)
Hope this freshman class can compliment the returning starters from last year.
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 10:39:01 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
I've been rooting for that team for decades, and I'm just not getting that much enjoyment out of it any more. And from my reading of the tea leaves, I can't see the slow, gentle decline turning into an upward bounce anytime soon.


Well, it is supposed to be fun. If you are not having fun, I'm sorry. But, something tells me you can check out anytime you'd like, but you can never leave.

See you next year brucecuth.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 5/3/2017 11:54:51 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
allen wrote:
The NCAA needs to start giving out participation trophies, we are creating over zealous fans and preparing young men for the real world by having championships. Most palayers have a goal of playing professional ball and it hurts their psyche to have them mimic professional sports in college, it's too early for that. The university's should continue to pay coaches 500k-millions to participate. We as fans go to the game to see an experience, not to win. We are just like any other fanbase.


If there were a trophy on this fan board for posting rambling nonsense, you'd be in the running for the championship. Congrats!



Winner Winner!!!!
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 11:56:49 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Optimist, his name is Dale Bandy. I played for him and he was and still is a great guy.

I edited my post to correct Bundy to Bandy... A simple typo, not assaulting his character. I will always root for Ohio. Win or lose, the coaches and players will have my support.

BillyTheCat wrote:

let's not use 20 games as a benchmark when comparing the two eras....20 wins today is NOTHING like 20 wins in the 60's, 70's or 80's.

I added win % in my 2nd post and it is still notably higher today than it was in the 70s. I'd love for someone to provide some data supporting the "slow, gentle decline" of the program.

Anxiously awaiting the argument explaining how double digit loses in the first round of the tournament are better than wins over Georgetown and Michigan.


I saw you added that, then the other thing that needs looked at is the quality of the competition played in the era's you have chosen, heck, Coach Hunter played schedules that we'd LOVE to see today!
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 11:57:44 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
brucecuth wrote:
I've been rooting for that team for decades, and I'm just not getting that much enjoyment out of it any more. And from my reading of the tea leaves, I can't see the slow, gentle decline turning into an upward bounce anytime soon.


you can check out anytime you'd like, but you can never leave.



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   Posted: 5/3/2017 12:09:42 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Your analysis I think is a bit flawed. First, in referencing the 69-70 and 12 year subsequent period we played a max of 26 games a year. Since 2004-05 it's been 32-35 games a year. Naturally we should have more 20+ seasons when we're playing an extra 7 or 8 games a year. Next, our schedule back in the 70's blows away what it is today.

And times have changed with the NCAA and the size of the field. The NCAA tournament expanded its field of teams from 25 to 32 in 1975, to 48 in 1980, to 64 in 1985, and to 68 teams in 2011.

Rather than raw win totals, I'll show win % over the same timeframe. We play more games today, but we win more of the games we do play.
69... 04...
80% 78%
71% 71%
62% 68%
59% 66%
59% 66%
58% 63%
48% 61%
46% 59%
42% 59%
35% 54%
31% 47%
26% 33%
Total Total
51% 60%

The NCAA Tournament field has changed, and that has been GOOD for Ohio, not bad...

We lost to Notre Dame by 30 and lost to Marquette by 24 in 1973 then played them again two years later and lost by 26.

vs.

We lost to Florida by 5, beat Georgetown by 14, lost to Tennessee by 15, beat Michigan by 5, beat South Florida by 6 and lost to North Carolina by 8 in OT.


Quote:

As far as success over the years Jim Snyder was a long time fixture in Athens and well respected. Later we had Danny Nee who did well in the 80's. These days too many coaches jump at the first bigger $$$$ offer they see. And it often comes back to haunt them (Groce and probably Christian too).


Funny you mention Danny Nee... Didn't he leave Ohio for Nebraska?

Same timeframe
Jim Snyder, Dale Bandy, Danny Nee
Tim O'Shea, John Groce, Jim Christian, Saul Phillips

3 coaches vs 4 coaches. Similar to player loyalty, I would love for our coaches to stick around. I hope Saul Phillips has a career similar to Jim Snyder who coached Ohio for 25 years, but if you give me the choice between Dale Bandy coaching Ohio for 6 years (5 losing seasons) and John Groce or Danny Nee who led Ohio to NCAA Tournament wins but left for bigger jobs, I'll take the NCAA wins.



Your 51% vs. 60% again misses a major aspect ... scheduling. Go look at the schedules in the early 70's. We were playing a much stronger schedule ... OSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, Va. Tech, etc. I saw a lot of those games and playing stronger competition, even when we lost was more enjoyable that playing Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Alcorn State, etc. So comparing the 51% to 60% I think is comparing oranges to apples.

Maybe I'm missing what you mean relative to Danny Nee. Yes, he left for a better job. But he lasted 14 years at Nebraska with 5 trips to the NCAA and another 5 to the NIT. Groce was let go after 5 at Illinois and Christian's days are probably numbered. So I see Nee as more successful in taking the next step up, especially since Nebraska was football country. Being in the shadows of Tom Osborne had to be a challenge but he did quite well.

You're correct that comparing winning percentages does not factor in SOS. My analysis was not intended as a detailed comparison of our teams in the 70s to our teams in the past decade.

We played an awesome home schedule and we won some big home games in the 70s but we also didn't win a single NCAA tournament game and we had multiple losing seasons. We weren't consistently a Top 50 program in the 70s and we didn't contend for the national championship once in that decade. Danny Nee left us for a bigger program after making the NCAA Tournament just like John Groce left us for a bigger program after making the NCAA Tournament.

My analysis was intended only to show that there has not been a "slow, gentle decline of the program" as was mentioned earlier. The landscape of college basketball has changed, but Ohio remains a strong mid-major as it has been for the past couple decades.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 5/3/2017 1:06:56 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
allen wrote:
The NCAA needs to start giving out participation trophies, we are creating over zealous fans and preparing young men for the real world by having championships. Most palayers have a goal of playing professional ball and it hurts their psyche to have them mimic professional sports in college, it's too early for that. The university's should continue to pay coaches 500k-millions to participate. We as fans go to the game to see an experience, not to win. We are just like any other fanbase.


If there were a trophy on this fan board for posting rambling nonsense, you'd be in the running for the championship. Congrats!



Winner Winner!!!!


I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say. We all know that we pay coaches big money to win. We don't pay to participate. We see coaches like Groce get fired when they don't win. I happen to be in a land where if you talk about improvement and optimism, the medi's throw stones and some people use lies about fake subject matter experts to support their mediocre beliefs. For example, in the case of Tarell Basham, it was suggested that he could be more marketable if he could also be a 3-4 backer. One poster said he could not do it, he wanted to see him play DE, he said a 3-4 was too complex for Basham. Me and four other posters noted that he could and many have made that transition successfully. The person with no truth in him, PM's me and said he knows his agent and he said it. This person was willing to go any length to establish his mediocre opinions. I am glad that Tarell Basham worked hard and got drafted to play linebacker. The person who said that he could not achieve this and lied about contacts should examine himself and you should question his nonsense. Not me saying, we need to improve certain players field goal percentage and add to their games. My original post was meant to open your eyes. We pay our coaches more than our school president to win, not to participate. The president has over 20,000 people under his watch, our football and basketball coaches have 120 and 15 respectively. Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?

Last Edited: 5/3/2017 3:30:26 PM by allen

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   Posted: 5/3/2017 1:54:15 PM 
allen wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
allen wrote:
The NCAA needs to start giving out participation trophies, we are creating over zealous fans and preparing young men for the real world by having championships. Most palayers have a goal of playing professional ball and it hurts their psyche to have them mimic professional sports in college, it's too early for that. The university's should continue to pay coaches 500k-millions to participate. We as fans go to the game to see an experience, not to win. We are just like any other fanbase.


If there were a trophy on this fan board for posting rambling nonsense, you'd be in the running for the championship. Congrats!



Winner Winner!!!!


I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say. We all know that we pay coaches big money to win. We don't pay to participate. We see coaches like Groce get fired when they don't win. I happen to be in a land where if you talk about improvement and optimism, the medi's throw stones and some people use lies about fake subject matter experts to support their mediocre beliefs. For example, in the case of Tarell Basham, it was suggested that he could be more marketable if he could also be a 3-4 backer. One poster said he could not do it, he wanted to see him play DE, he said a 3-4 was too complex for Basham. Me and four other posters noted that he could and many have made that transition successfully. The person with no truth in him, PM's me and said he knows his agent nd he said it. This person was willing to go any length to establish his mediocre opinions. I am glad that Tarell Basham worked hard and got drafted to play linebacker. The person who said that he could not achieve this and lied about contacts should examine himself and you should question his nonsense. Not me saying, we need to improve certain players field goal percentage and add to their games. My original post was meant to open your eyes. We pay our coaches more than our school president to win, not to participate. The president has over 20,000 people under his watch, our football and basketball coaches have 120 and 15 respectively. Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?



Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 2:11:06 PM 
OUVan wrote:


Agree. I enjoy watching basketball at much lower levels than Ohio Bobcat basketball.


I have to laugh....I heard my kid introducing me to y a coach saying..."if this guy hears a ball bouncing a mile away in a gym full of 3 rd graders the truck just turns around and follows the sound..." I do not think I quite that bad but there is a joy in watching grass roots and how coaches at all levels teach...

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   Posted: 5/3/2017 2:11:56 PM 
Is eBay the best place to go to get Fake Agent Friends?
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   Posted: 5/3/2017 2:45:08 PM 
allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.


I'm curious like Van, who here has "fake agent friends"? I can think of someone who truly does have contacts within a few athletic departments because of his work history. On the basketball board, I'm not sure where people refer to these so-called fake agents.


allen is framing a moral wrote:

We all know that we pay coaches big money to win. We don't pay to participate. We see coaches like Groce get fired when they don't win. I happen to be in a land where if you talk about improvement and optimism, the medi's throw stones and some people use lies about fake subject matter experts to support their mediocre beliefs.


Many coaches do get paid big money to win. And we're seeing more winning in Athens than losing by a long shot. People throw stones because you simply keep pounding the same ol' drum, effectively insulting us by saying we're satisfied mediocrity and moral victories. What's amazing is that after all these months and dozens of people calling you out on it, telling you they're tired of hearing it, you STILL don't get it. You just keep repeating the same crap. Sad!

As for fake subject matter experts, I'm not sure which ones you're calling fake. Maybe you'd like to enlighten us. Recently, we've discussed Ken Pom, and other metrics experts who are, according to many who write about college hoops, and the TV networks, at the top of their field in basketball data analysis. True!


allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?


I don't think we need anymore "eye opening" to your opinions. Believe me, we got it after 5,000 repetitions of your "medi this, and morals that". If anything, we'd love to know why you haven't opened your eyes yet to some of the responses you get. You aren't convincing anyone to your point of view with that stuff. You want "real"? Shut up with the medi's nonsense. You bring more to the table when you leave that garbage out of your posts.





bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?


Apologies for the a lengthy reply.

Last Edited: 5/3/2017 2:45:37 PM by OU_Country
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I thought I saw a late night commercial the other night about fake agent friends. Might have been a 900 number. Wait......
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?


In defense of Allen, he's also known for his "+1" replies. Can't get much more brief than that, no?
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bobcatsquared wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?


In defense of Allen, he's also known for his "+1" replies. Can't get much more brief than that, no?



+0.5
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OU_Country wrote:
allen remember to take your medi's wrote:

I don't have fake agent friends and I don't say anything that a normal fan would not say.


I'm curious like Van, who here has "fake agent friends"? I can think of someone who truly does have contacts within a few athletic departments because of his work history. On the basketball board, I'm not sure where people refer to these so-called fake agents.


allen is framing a moral wrote:

We all know that we pay coaches big money to win. We don't pay to participate. We see coaches like Groce get fired when they don't win. I happen to be in a land where if you talk about improvement and optimism, the medi's throw stones and some people use lies about fake subject matter experts to support their mediocre beliefs.


Many coaches do get paid big money to win. And we're seeing more winning in Athens than losing by a long shot. People throw stones because you simply keep pounding the same ol' drum, effectively insulting us by saying we're satisfied mediocrity and moral victories. What's amazing is that after all these months and dozens of people calling you out on it, telling you they're tired of hearing it, you STILL don't get it. You just keep repeating the same crap. Sad!

As for fake subject matter experts, I'm not sure which ones you're calling fake. Maybe you'd like to enlighten us. Recently, we've discussed Ken Pom, and other metrics experts who are, according to many who write about college hoops, and the TV networks, at the top of their field in basketball data analysis. True!


allen forgot to take his medi's wrote:

My original post was meant to open your eyes.

Who is real and who is living in an imaginary world?


I don't think we need anymore "eye opening" to your opinions. Believe me, we got it after 5,000 repetitions of your "medi this, and morals that". If anything, we'd love to know why you haven't opened your eyes yet to some of the responses you get. You aren't convincing anyone to your point of view with that stuff. You want "real"? Shut up with the medi's nonsense. You bring more to the table when you leave that garbage out of your posts.





bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?


Apologies for the a lengthy reply.


I don't know if he got his fake agent friend off of ebay, but he has them.
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About a week later guess who is doing linebacker workouts at the combine? Who got drafted to play 3-4 OLB? Who said there friend quit last week, lol? Guess what agency has signed undrafted free agents? If this persons claim was true it could warrant an NCAA investigation (a guy who says he is a friend of the staff and the best friend of an agent). Thank God the NCAA know's a wannabe when they see one, lol.
I don't make stuff up, other people do, but I don't.
Now you are mad that my post is over 200 words, lol.

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Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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OUVan wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Have you ever submitted a reply under 200 characters before?


In defense of Allen, he's also known for his "+1" replies. Can't get much more brief than that, no?



+0.5


lol

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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Funny thing about this place....you never know who you are talking to...or what their connections are....

I ALWAYS assume the folks reading this are much smarter than I...(must be otherwise they would be posting with the rest of us) and I ALWAYS assume whomever I get introduced to knows something that I can learn from.... so before I post I ALWAYS reread it and consider who might be reading it.

You never know who might be sitting at the scorer's table, who might be dealing with the OHSAA, who might be the agent of or president of an agency be representing athletes, who might be a business owner in Athens, who might be a coach or staff sitting there monitoring the board, who might be a very esteemed lawyer in an high profile position, who might be in the TV industry or ESPN.... so it is always fun and prudent to measure words and statements because there is usually someone reading who knows way more than I.


Luckily, I have met or talked to each of those listed above and more because they are not sitting behind a screen name (well some are but that is more out of professional considerations) and feeling empowered by anonymity. THey own their statements and they discuss them freely and readily over a beer. SOme of the best entertainment here is watching guys critique things when you know the guy they are taking to task may be an expert or have inside knowledge and he is smart enough to just chuckle and let the person rambling dig a deeper hole while we watch.

This is a fantastic board with an exceptionally bright bunch of guys from many walks of life with a common passion for a great place. I have learned a ton and will continue to....just by continuing to come. My kid left and I still came because of the people. He is back and he will leave again. I don't know if I will still be here then but I will continue to exercise the same restraint when I am here...there will always be someone out there who knows way more than I reading the words here...humility is key...and those who look to put targets on your back probably don't have much to offer anyway. There is no doubt in my mind that people here know more and are smarter than they let on.... and there is no doubt that the really smart ones go silent when they are confronted with aberrant behaviour.

never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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