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Eagle66
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  Message Not Read  MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 9:46:13 AM 
Stole this from the MAC board (credit to Axeme over there), but thought some here might find it interesting as well...

Of the 15 players who were named to the All-MAC first, second, and third teams, only three players are returning.

[i][b]All-MAC First Team[/b][/i]
Isaiah Johnson, C, Akron, Senior
Marcus Keene, G, Central Michigan, Junior
Jimmy Hall, F, Kent State, Senior
Jaaron Simmons, G, Ohio, Junior
[b]Thomas Wilder, G, Western Michigan, Junior [/b]

[b][i]All-MAC Second Team [/i][/b]
Kwan Cheatham Jr., F, Akron, Senior
[b]Tayler Persons, G, Ball State, Sophomore [/b]
Blake Hamilton, Wing, Buffalo, Senior
[b]James Thompson IV, F, Eastern Michigan, Sophomore[/b]
Steve Taylor Jr., F, Toledo, Senior

[i][b]All-MAC Third Team [/b][/i]
Franko House, F, Ball State, Senior
Braylon Rayson, G, Central Michigan, Senior
Marin Maric, C, Northern Illinois, Senior
Jon Williams, G, Toledo, Senior
Tucker Haymond, F, Western Michigan, Senior
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 9:59:16 AM 
Wonder if the borrowed it from me?

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OUVan
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 10:20:36 AM 
This could be the worst the league has been in years. But it still will be an exciting conference season and tournament which in the end is all that really matters.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 10:37:48 AM 
I can actually see Balls as being the leader in the clubhouse with Eastern right behind and possibly Western now. Balls has Kipway, Tyler, Persons and the big guy. Eastern has the Player of the Year in Thompson (2018) and Western has Wilder coming back. I think we can be there if some guys develop (Jordy off the dribble, Block outside shooting and Doug inside) but even Kent has a great backcourt with Walker and Avery back who helped lead them to an NCAA Tourney.

I could see the top seed next year in the MAC Tournament being 11-7.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 10:41:31 AM 
Eagle66 wrote:
Stole this from the MAC board (credit to Axeme over there), but thought some here might find it interesting as well...

Of the 15 players who were named to the All-MAC first, second, and third teams, only three players are returning.

[i][b]All-MAC First Team[/b][/i]
Isaiah Johnson, C, Akron, Senior
Marcus Keene, G, Central Michigan, Junior
Jimmy Hall, F, Kent State, Senior
Jaaron Simmons, G, Ohio, Junior
[b]Thomas Wilder, G, Western Michigan, Junior [/b]

[b][i]All-MAC Second Team [/i][/b]
Kwan Cheatham Jr., F, Akron, Senior
[b]Tayler Persons, G, Ball State, Sophomore [/b]
Blake Hamilton, Wing, Buffalo, Senior
[b]James Thompson IV, F, Eastern Michigan, Sophomore[/b]
Steve Taylor Jr., F, Toledo, Senior

[i][b]All-MAC Third Team [/b][/i]
Franko House, F, Ball State, Senior
Braylon Rayson, G, Central Michigan, Senior
Marin Maric, C, Northern Illinois, Senior
Jon Williams, G, Toledo, Senior
Tucker Haymond, F, Western Michigan, Senior


So you're telling me Dartis and Carter are the best two players returning?

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OU_Country
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 11:16:38 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:

So you're telling me Dartis and Carter are the best two players returning?


Well played!
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UpSan Bobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 11:20:13 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Eagle66 wrote:
Stole this from the MAC board (credit to Axeme over there), but thought some here might find it interesting as well...

Of the 15 players who were named to the All-MAC first, second, and third teams, only three players are returning.

[i][b]All-MAC First Team[/b][/i]
Isaiah Johnson, C, Akron, Senior
Marcus Keene, G, Central Michigan, Junior
Jimmy Hall, F, Kent State, Senior
Jaaron Simmons, G, Ohio, Junior
[b]Thomas Wilder, G, Western Michigan, Junior [/b]

[b][i]All-MAC Second Team [/i][/b]
Kwan Cheatham Jr., F, Akron, Senior
[b]Tayler Persons, G, Ball State, Sophomore [/b]
Blake Hamilton, Wing, Buffalo, Senior
[b]James Thompson IV, F, Eastern Michigan, Sophomore[/b]
Steve Taylor Jr., F, Toledo, Senior

[i][b]All-MAC Third Team [/b][/i]
Franko House, F, Ball State, Senior
Braylon Rayson, G, Central Michigan, Senior
Marin Maric, C, Northern Illinois, Senior
Jon Williams, G, Toledo, Senior
Tucker Haymond, F, Western Michigan, Senior


So you're telling me Dartis and Carter are the best two players returning?



Wilder is the only first-team player who could return. He declared for the draft but I don't think it's expected he'll remain in the draft. Persons and Thompson IV, second-team picks, are the other returning All-MAC players.

Dartis and Carter will be two of the top returning players after those three, especially considering how many of other guys are leaving in the league.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 11:26:00 AM 
So who is the best point guard in the east?
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 11:47:00 AM 
cc-cat wrote:
So who is the best point guard in the east?


Quick, name ANY PG in the East.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 11:59:14 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
So who is the best point guard in the east?


Quick, name ANY PG in the East.


Jalen Avery from Kent and Wes Clark (the Missouri transfer) from Buffalo are set in place.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 1:01:19 PM 
Teyvion Kirk


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 1:51:22 PM 
12 minutes elapsed after I said "quick." That's not quick. Point being, there's not a ton of returning talent in the East.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:26:28 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
12 minutes elapsed after I said "quick." That's not quick. Point being, there's not a ton of returning talent in the East.


Are you implying that I saw your post right as you posted it and then stared at a wall for 12 minutes before remembering their names?
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:48:29 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
12 minutes elapsed after I said "quick." That's not quick. Point being, there's not a ton of returning talent in the East.


Are you implying that I saw your post right as you posted it and then stared at a wall for 12 minutes before remembering their names?


I'm implying your sense of humor is broken.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:51:54 PM 
Definitely a talent drain the MAC unfortunately. I do think WMU is positioned well to make a run and I really thought we were the hands down favorite prior to last nite's news. That said, yeah I don't know what to make of the MAC this upcoming season.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 4:05:10 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Definitely a talent drain the MAC unfortunately. I do think WMU is positioned well to make a run and I really thought we were the hands down favorite prior to last nite's news. That said, yeah I don't know what to make of the MAC this upcoming season.


Buffalo in the EAST


#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 4:32:28 PM 
Thinking about the struggles MAC basketball has endured over the past decade reminds me of the myth of Sisyphus. Recent developments with Ohio basketball doesn't do anything to dispel this thought.

Last Edited: 4/25/2017 4:33:54 PM by bobcatsquared

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 4:36:55 PM 
The problem with MAC Basketball is when we reached the crossroads of football or basketball, we chose the path that is toughest to make up ground. I wish luck to any program bringing a football program up to D-1 in this world we're in.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 5:02:16 PM 
MAC East>MAC West


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/25/2017 9:59:11 PM 
A while back, I posted about a fellow work colleague who told me several years ago an interesting MAC factoid. This gentleman was a former MAC coach and sat on the board of a MAC school. He told me that in the mid-late 90s the successful stature of MAC basketball had the football coaches feeling like they were doomed. The football coaches pleaded for more money i.e coaches salaries especially assistants, since too many quality assistants were going back to the high school level where they could actually support their families with a decent salary! (How times have changed!)

I haven't seen this gentleman in five years since his retirement. However, he did leave me with an interesting thought. He was witnessing the rise of MAC sports on cable TV and though happy warned that we could never win the arms race against the big time conferences. He warned that we could get to a point where we might seem close to enough to grab the ring only to lose ground, much like that carnival ride (the name escapes me) where kids and adults try to push their compartment car over the top. Sadly, most fall just short and end up taking a big drop backward.

Though I am an optimist at heart, I do worry that every time we get close someone takes our players and coaches i.e Jaaron and PJ Fleck, who would have been the MAC's first Million Dollar Man, but Minnesota scooped him away as well as many of his assistants and vaunted recruits!
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/26/2017 9:02:34 AM 
The solution here is actually a simple one, but requires a step nobody will be willing to take.

To improve as a basketball conference and become a two bid league, the MAC can't also compete at the BCS level in football.

Gonzaga, VCU, Wichita State, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Xavier, St. Mary's, Richmond, George Mason, and on and on and on all have something in common.

To become a two bid league you need to spend more money. To spend more money you need to stop spending so much money on football.

We're not even eligible for a national championship in football. But we still want to act like we're on par with Ohio State.

The best place for OU to be is putting more resources into basketball and fewer into football. We could be a perennial playoff team in FCS and competing for one of multiple bids in basketball year in and year out.

Instead we're content being a middling team, playing for little of consequence, and eating scraps that the others don't want.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/26/2017 11:29:46 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
The solution here is actually a simple one, but requires a step nobody will be willing to take.

To improve as a basketball conference and become a two bid league, the MAC can't also compete at the BCS level in football.

Gonzaga, VCU, Wichita State, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Xavier, St. Mary's, Richmond, George Mason, and on and on and on all have something in common.

To become a two bid league you need to spend more money. To spend more money you need to stop spending so much money on football.

We're not even eligible for a national championship in football. But we still want to act like we're on par with Ohio State.

The best place for OU to be is putting more resources into basketball and fewer into football. We could be a perennial playoff team in FCS and competing for one of multiple bids in basketball year in and year out.

Instead we're content being a middling team, playing for little of consequence, and eating scraps that the others don't want.


Not only are our schools not willing to take that step they are moving in the opposite direction.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/26/2017 12:29:08 PM 
I agree with increasing spending for basketball and decreasing spending for football. But FCS wouldn't yield enough savings, as LC has explained. Only options would be non scholarship Div I, Div II, or dropping football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/26/2017 2:54:39 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
The solution here is actually a simple one, but requires a step nobody will be willing to take.

To improve as a basketball conference and become a two bid league, the MAC can't also compete at the BCS level in football.

Gonzaga, VCU, Wichita State, Butler, Creighton, Dayton, Xavier, St. Mary's, Richmond, George Mason, and on and on and on all have something in common.

To become a two bid league you need to spend more money. To spend more money you need to stop spending so much money on football.

We're not even eligible for a national championship in football. But we still want to act like we're on par with Ohio State.

The best place for OU to be is putting more resources into basketball and fewer into football. We could be a perennial playoff team in FCS and competing for one of multiple bids in basketball year in and year out.

Instead we're content being a middling team, playing for little of consequence, and eating scraps that the others don't want.


The MAC is paid a handsome sum for the most part to participate as one of 120ish schools in FBS FB. Why would they want to walk away from that in order to not get paid to be one of 350ish schools in D1 BB? (asking for a friend)

And to your point, we already spend more than St. Mary's, who you cite above, so is FB really a problem?

122) Ohio University-Main Campus 3,101,150
123) University of Akron Main Campus 3,088,920
124) Siena College 3,083,128
125) New Mexico State University-Main Campus 3,003,045
126) Saint Mary's College of California 2,956,340

Outside of Akron, we spend 33% to 100% more than our MAC brethren, so is our perceived lack of spending on MBB really standing in the way of our success, or are we failing to maximize our performance versus our spend in MBB?

Do you have evidence/data that proves that Men's Basketball is a more valuable marketing investment than FB? OHIO spends in the middle of the MAC in FB budget, and in the lower third in FBS, yet we seem to always find ourselves on television seven to ten times a year, so relatively speaking, isn't that a valuable use of marketing funds?

Last Edited: 4/26/2017 3:18:11 PM by D.A.


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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Talent Exodus
   Posted: 4/26/2017 3:15:45 PM 
Hustlebelt lists EMU's James Thompson IV and CMU's Cecil Williams as declaring for the draft as well. They report Williams has not hired an agent, but they are unsure if Thompson has...
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