Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board
BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Basketball
Topic:  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan

Topic:  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
Author
Message
.
General User

Member Since: 2/3/2005
Post Count: 2,949

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 1:53:13 PM 
We should take the high road.

But I can also dream about us making the dance and getting Michigan in the first round again.
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,116

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 1:55:14 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.

Last Edited: 4/25/2017 1:55:48 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
MiamiBlowsChunks
General User

Member Since: 4/2/2012
Post Count: 44

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:20:48 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
While I wish Jaaron were back next year for OHIO's sake, if you look at it on the surface, I'm not sure why everybody is so angry. He graduated from OHIO with a degree (something many of our better players have been unable to accomplish). He is going elsewhere for graduate school, where he will also play basketball. I'd be curious how many posters on here have completed an advanced degree at the same place they completed their undergraduate work. I know I didn't.

In the end, he's a student-athlete, and he's doing the first part right. I mean this in sincerity when I say I wish him the best. Sure, it sucks for us and I wish it weren't so. However, this is one year for OHIO, this is the rest of his life for him. A Masters Degree from Michigan probably looks pretty good.


Let's no kid ourselves .. this grad thing is a sham. Glad the kids have to graduate to take advantage of the sham but none of the guys give a rat's a## about the Master's part and I bet almost none finish the course work. They either want more PT, play at a "higher level" or be seen by the NBA. That last part is ridiculous. I think the NBA found Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum, N'Dour etc. just fine.

The other part that's bad is programs/coaches like OU are left with a gaping hole to fill. You plan to fill your graduation losses, not ones like this in May.

There's Only One OU and it ain't in Norman
Back to Top
  
OU_Country
General User



Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,320

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:27:34 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Fear Leon and I agree here. The Apocalypse is coming!
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,022

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:31:55 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
The only thing better would have been if he had transferred to Illinois or Boston College. This kid will have played for 3 different D1 programs in 4 years of college basketball. What a joke.


And we just recruited a guy who now will have played in four collegiate level programs. You can't have it both ways.
Back to Top
  
ohiocatfan1
General User

Member Since: 9/6/2016
Post Count: 316

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:36:46 PM 
Don't want it both ways. This whole grad transfer thing is a sham. I'm ok with a "normal" transfer (ONCE). In my opinion you should be eligible to suit up for no more than 2 D1 programs period.

Last Edited: 4/25/2017 2:39:17 PM by ohiocatfan1
Back to Top
  
Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,084

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:36:56 PM 
OU_Country wrote:


At Ohio, he could have graduated and been a legend in our program's history, one of the best point guards to ever play here. By leaving, he's cast from everyone's memory because he didn't stay for his last year. He's basically made himself Jeremy Fears with an extra year played.

I just don't get the motivation to go to Michigan. If he'd gone to UD, his hometown, I'd have understood that. I'd love to hear his line of thinking someday.


He DID graduate. We are a university. He used us for what nearly all of us used this place for, a degree. He got it. Why do you feel that he owes us anything more?

This selfishness on here is amazing. He's Jeremy Fears? A guy who left our team mid-year? Really? A guy who DIDN'T graduate?

Also, the attempt to find flaws in his game now that he is gone is rather tasteless as well. The jilted lover finding all the faults in the old flame is disappointing, but has come to be expected here. As soon as somebody graduates or transfers, we talk about how maybe it wasn't that bad. Tyler Tettleton turns in a subpar senior year, we write him off despite the fact that he's our best QB in half a century. Early on in Jaaron's tenure, people were saying that he was a better natural point guard maybe than DJ.

I'm a fan first of this university. I want our student-athletes to graduate. When one does that, I'll celebrate it. Congrats, Jaaron, on graduating.

Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 3,280

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:43:30 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Does winning MAC player guarantee improved NBA prospects: NO
Does playing in the NCAA Tournament guarantee improved draft prospect: NO
Does winning a MAC Tournament Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Does winning a MAC Regular Season Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Are you overly bitter about the decisions of a 22 year old you've never met: YES

If an Economics major at OU graduated and chose to purse a Masters at Michigan instead of OU, nobody would nitpick about a test he failed, or publicly criticize him. These are either student athletes or they aren't.

Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 3,280

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:45:20 PM 
ohiocatfan1 wrote:
Don't want it both ways. This whole grad transfer thing is a sham. I'm ok with a "normal" transfer (ONCE). In my opinion you should be eligible to suit up for no more than 2 D1 programs period.


It's basically impossible to justify this without paying players.
Back to Top
  
GoCats105
General User

Member Since: 1/31/2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Post Count: 6,912

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 2:51:08 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
OU_Country wrote:


At Ohio, he could have graduated and been a legend in our program's history, one of the best point guards to ever play here. By leaving, he's cast from everyone's memory because he didn't stay for his last year. He's basically made himself Jeremy Fears with an extra year played.

I just don't get the motivation to go to Michigan. If he'd gone to UD, his hometown, I'd have understood that. I'd love to hear his line of thinking someday.


He DID graduate. We are a university. He used us for what nearly all of us used this place for, a degree. He got it. Why do you feel that he owes us anything more?

This selfishness on here is amazing. He's Jeremy Fears? A guy who left our team mid-year? Really? A guy who DIDN'T graduate?

Also, the attempt to find flaws in his game now that he is gone is rather tasteless as well. The jilted lover finding all the faults in the old flame is disappointing, but has come to be expected here. As soon as somebody graduates or transfers, we talk about how maybe it wasn't that bad. Tyler Tettleton turns in a subpar senior year, we write him off despite the fact that he's our best QB in half a century. Early on in Jaaron's tenure, people were saying that he was a better natural point guard maybe than DJ.

I'm a fan first of this university. I want our student-athletes to graduate. When one does that, I'll celebrate it. Congrats, Jaaron, on graduating.



+1
Back to Top
  
OhioCatFan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,016

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:05:55 PM 
I do not think JS has "NBA talent." But, I wish him well in his future endeavors. If I had to guess, I would say that DJ has a better chance of eventually making it to the NBA than JS. As always, I could be wrong.

The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

Back to Top
  
OU_Country
General User



Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,320

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:11:21 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
OU_Country wrote:


At Ohio, he could have graduated and been a legend in our program's history, one of the best point guards to ever play here. By leaving, he's cast from everyone's memory because he didn't stay for his last year. He's basically made himself Jeremy Fears with an extra year played.

I just don't get the motivation to go to Michigan. If he'd gone to UD, his hometown, I'd have understood that. I'd love to hear his line of thinking someday.


He DID graduate. We are a university. He used us for what nearly all of us used this place for, a degree. He got it. Why do you feel that he owes us anything more?

This selfishness on here is amazing. He's Jeremy Fears? A guy who left our team mid-year? Really? A guy who DIDN'T graduate?

Also, the attempt to find flaws in his game now that he is gone is rather tasteless as well. The jilted lover finding all the faults in the old flame is disappointing, but has come to be expected here. As soon as somebody graduates or transfers, we talk about how maybe it wasn't that bad. Tyler Tettleton turns in a subpar senior year, we write him off despite the fact that he's our best QB in half a century. Early on in Jaaron's tenure, people were saying that he was a better natural point guard maybe than DJ.

I'm a fan first of this university. I want our student-athletes to graduate. When one does that, I'll celebrate it. Congrats, Jaaron, on graduating.



You make a fair point - the Fears comparison was not fair. I guess I was really thinking of it from the angle of a player who could have played out his time in Athens having been an Ohio legend. From that regard, there's a similarity. Otherwise, there aren't really any.

And your point about him walking in a few days is also a great one that deserves recognition.

As for the flaws in his game, I'm merely of the opinion that he's not an NBA talent. He'll end up playing for a nice paycheck somewhere though.
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,116

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:15:19 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Fear Leon and I agree here. The Apocalypse is coming!


I know it would happen eventually......haha! Looking forward to drinking a beer with ya next March when Jason Carter leads OHIO back to the dance.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
UpSan Bobcat
General User



Member Since: 8/30/2005
Location: Upper Sandusky, OH
Post Count: 3,789

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:22:52 PM 
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2017/04/jaaron_...
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,116

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:36:34 PM 
Yeah..I'd say that....ummmm.....Saul is pissed.


“Jaaron informed me today of his intention to transfer to Michigan,” Ohio head coach Saul Philips told MLive on Monday night. “We are disappointed with his decision, but wish him luck. We have known this has been a possibility and have taken steps to make sure the roster is talented and balanced. We are looking forward to the upcoming season."

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,116

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:42:16 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Does winning MAC player guarantee improved NBA prospects: NO
Does playing in the NCAA Tournament guarantee improved draft prospect: NO
Does winning a MAC Tournament Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Does winning a MAC Regular Season Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Are you overly bitter about the decisions of a 22 year old you've never met: YES

If an Economics major at OU graduated and chose to purse a Masters at Michigan instead of OU, nobody would nitpick about a test he failed, or publicly criticize him. These are either student athletes or they aren't.



Sorry...Simmons is a 22 year old Division-One basketball player. He's not playing in the 5th grade where everyone gets a participation trophy. We are allowed to make judgements and observations when it comes to collegiate teams and players. And if you think Jaaron is going to Michigan to get his Masters degree, then I have some great land in the Bahamas to sell you.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
OUoughtaKnow
General User

Member Since: 1/25/2017
Post Count: 22

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 3:42:40 PM 
I hope Simmons career goes as well as Stevie Fresh's has!
Back to Top
  
ohiocatfan1
General User

Member Since: 9/6/2016
Post Count: 316

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 4:49:52 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Does winning MAC player guarantee improved NBA prospects: NO
Does playing in the NCAA Tournament guarantee improved draft prospect: NO
Does winning a MAC Tournament Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Does winning a MAC Regular Season Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Are you overly bitter about the decisions of a 22 year old you've never met: YES

If an Economics major at OU graduated and chose to purse a Masters at Michigan instead of OU, nobody would nitpick about a test he failed, or publicly criticize him. These are either student athletes or they aren't.



Sorry...Simmons is a 22 year old Division-One basketball player. He's not playing in the 5th grade where everyone gets a participation trophy. We are allowed to make judgements and observations when it comes to collegiate teams and players. And if you think Jaaron is going to Michigan to get his Masters degree, then I have some great land in the Bahamas to sell you.


You know your're right. I'll just go ahead and say it. I hope his senior year of basketball is a total bust.
Back to Top
  
bshot44
General User



Member Since: 2/12/2012
Post Count: 2,211

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 4:50:27 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
... we still need to schedule better. We do ourselves no favors by powering through the MEAC and SWAC in the non-conference only to find ourselves winners of 22 or 23 games and sitting home twiddling our thumbs in March. I'd rather play a good schedule, showcase our kids and our school, and go to war with a battle tested 18-13 team in Cleveland instead of reminiscing about a 25 win season with Kennesaw State and Alabama A&M in the win column.

The data is in to show that this scheduling philosophy isn't optimal. The Simmons transfer only highlights the issue.



Bingo. All this Jaaron to UM nonsense highlights is what most of us – if not all of us – don't want to admit. We are not a mid-major player in CBB. We are a comet that flashes brightly thru the CBB stratosphere once every 4-10 years. We did it under Trent in the mid 90s....again with DJ Cooper & Co in late 2000s....and we thought we'd do it with AC & Simmons last year. It didn't happen.

So why did Jaaron transfer? Pretty obvious to me. He wanted bigger and brighter lights than Ohio. And who's to blame for that? Ohio.

As Bobcat Love said, you can't schedule the Kennesaw State's and Alabama A&M's of the world and expect to gain any national traction or attention. It's been nearly a decade since we actually scheduled two P5 schools in the non-conference.

Read that again.

2007-08, when Ohio played at Maryland and at Kansas (in KC neutral site-ish....they actually ended up playing St Johns in Hawaii in a tourney that year too)

Since then, only ONCE has Ohio played two P5 teams in the non-conference and that was because it was in a holiday tourney (DePaul and Nebraska in Diamond Head Classic in 2014-15.

What kind of exposure are you going to accomplish playing that kind of schedule?

I hear people say "Ohio can be the Gonzaga of the Midwest, blah, blah, blah"

Do they have the facility? Maybe? At least size-wise.

Do they have the fan support? Maybe? If they're really, really good folks show up. But let's be honest...the student section is an embarrassment to even a Division II school.

What gives anyone the impression that Ohio is big-time college basketball? An occasional win at Georgia Tech....and losses at Western Kentucky, Iona and barely beating Milwaukee.

I'm sorry. We all are guilty of looking at this program thru green-colored glasses from time to time. But the reality is, we are a far cry from being relevant in today's college basketball landscape.

If we're just comparing ourselves to the rest of the MAC, then HELLS YES we are probably an elite program.

But compare the MAC with the rest of the country. Is it really that much better than the Summit, Horizon or OVC? What kind of postseason success has the MAC had that those league's haven't? 3 NCAA wins in 10 years (all by one school)

The MAC gets excited when Kent gets a road win at Texas....a team that finished with 11 wins.

Yes...I'm pissed Jaaron Simmons turned his back on his alma mater....his teammates/brothers...and his coach. But look at it from a 22-year olds perspective (where they all think they're going to "the league").....would suiting up in the green and white better suit him over wearing the maize and blue?

I'd say yes....I think dominating the MAC....winning the league...getting to the tourney....all the things he FAILED to accomplish in his short stay on campus....would greatly benefit his stock going into the only thing that really matters....the Combine and individual workouts.

Being just another guy on Michigan's roster won't do much to elevate his stock....unless he just tears the B1G a new one.....but I don't think he's that talented on an nightly basis to light that league up like he could the MAC.

It pains me to type this...but the reality is, it's Ohio's fault Simmons bolted. We aren't a stepping stone, in the eyes of college kids, to NBA super-stardom like a brand-name such as Michigan.

Ohio has made a pretty serious commitment in paying their coach a lot of money to raise the level of the program.....it's now time for him to do that. I'd start with making that schedule a little more "glamorous" for recruits, showing them they'll get the opportunity to play on big stages. It also wouldn't hurt to win the damn league that you've scuffled to 2nd place finishes in in back-to-back years.

Ohio basketball had a window in 2012 to make a leap to that next level. They missed. Those opportunities for schools like Ohio are few and far between. Was 10+ years between Trent and Leon......

Ohio needs to find a way to sustain success.....take a page out of Gonzaga's book. 18-straight NCAA appearances from a league that was worse than the MAC at one time. That's putting yourself on the map.....where you aren't losing impact grad transfers, you're gaining them.

Last Edited: 4/25/2017 4:51:03 PM by bshot44
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 7,022

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 5:45:56 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
finnOhio wrote:
OU_Country wrote:


At Ohio, he could have graduated and been a legend in our program's history, one of the best point guards to ever play here. By leaving, he's cast from everyone's memory because he didn't stay for his last year. He's basically made himself Jeremy Fears with an extra year played.

I just don't get the motivation to go to Michigan. If he'd gone to UD, his hometown, I'd have understood that. I'd love to hear his line of thinking someday.


He DID graduate. We are a university. He used us for what nearly all of us used this place for, a degree. He got it. Why do you feel that he owes us anything more?

This selfishness on here is amazing. He's Jeremy Fears? A guy who left our team mid-year? Really? A guy who DIDN'T graduate?

Also, the attempt to find flaws in his game now that he is gone is rather tasteless as well. The jilted lover finding all the faults in the old flame is disappointing, but has come to be expected here. As soon as somebody graduates or transfers, we talk about how maybe it wasn't that bad. Tyler Tettleton turns in a subpar senior year, we write him off despite the fact that he's our best QB in half a century. Early on in Jaaron's tenure, people were saying that he was a better natural point guard maybe than DJ.

I'm a fan first of this university. I want our student-athletes to graduate. When one does that, I'll celebrate it. Congrats, Jaaron, on graduating.



+1



Amen!
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,116

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 7:58:39 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
... we still need to schedule better. We do ourselves no favors by powering through the MEAC and SWAC in the non-conference only to find ourselves winners of 22 or 23 games and sitting home twiddling our thumbs in March. I'd rather play a good schedule, showcase our kids and our school, and go to war with a battle tested 18-13 team in Cleveland instead of reminiscing about a 25 win season with Kennesaw State and Alabama A&M in the win column.

The data is in to show that this scheduling philosophy isn't optimal. The Simmons transfer only highlights the issue.




Ohio basketball had a window in 2012 to make a leap to that next level. They missed. Those opportunities for schools like Ohio are few and far between. Was 10+ years between Trent and Leon......



This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All of it. Right there with ya Bshot.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
GroverBall
General User

Member Since: 12/3/2012
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 1,241

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 7:58:58 PM 
Obc2 wrote:
I might, or might not, be in the minority on not seeing Jaaron as nba talent. Too many turnovers, not enough shooting range.

I see him playing in Europe.


I've always believed it was the shot itself that would keep him out of the league, he doesn't have the release for the top level.
Back to Top
  
Obc2
General User

Member Since: 11/8/2007
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Post Count: 596

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 8:01:31 PM 
Two more cents...

I am proud Jaaron graduated from Ohio, which certainly allows hime to grad transfer. He is playing by the rules.

I am not proud he is leaving the program. Im sure his teammates saw him as the team leader. Treg Setty he aint, gang.
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 3,280

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 9:12:41 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I find the criticism of him here to be misguided, and feel like it reflects poorly on OU and our fans. Accusing Simmons of being a traitor, and stating that he "should be dead to us" completely ignores the idea of what it is to be a student athlete. Simmons got his degree from Ohio University and represented us well on the court while he was here.

As a graduate, he's earned the right to pursue whatever path he feels set him up for the best shot at professional success, and he's done that. We should wish him the best and move on.


I partly disagree. I think criticizing the decision to go to Michigan is fair. The rest I agree with. I'm not wishing him the best. I'm not wishing him ill personally. I just hope they miss the tournament. ;)

Re: "he should be dead to us", since I used that phrase, I was merely saying if a person felt that way about Coach Groce, then they should feel equally that way about Jaaron.

Bottom line for many of us is that we hate the rule that allows it.

Simmons has proven everything he can prove in the MAC.




Disagree....
Did he win MAC Player of the Year: NO
Did his team play in the NCAA Tournament: NO
Did his team win a MAC Tournament Championship: NO
Did his team win a MAC Regular Season Championship: NO
Did he dribble out the clock down 2 with 4 seconds left in a MAC Tournament game: YES

Seems to me #2 still had plenty to prove in the MAC.


Does winning MAC player guarantee improved NBA prospects: NO
Does playing in the NCAA Tournament guarantee improved draft prospect: NO
Does winning a MAC Tournament Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Does winning a MAC Regular Season Championship guarantee improved draft prospects: NO
Are you overly bitter about the decisions of a 22 year old you've never met: YES

If an Economics major at OU graduated and chose to purse a Masters at Michigan instead of OU, nobody would nitpick about a test he failed, or publicly criticize him. These are either student athletes or they aren't.



Sorry...Simmons is a 22 year old Division-One basketball player. He's not playing in the 5th grade where everyone gets a participation trophy. We are allowed to make judgements and observations when it comes to collegiate teams and players. And if you think Jaaron is going to Michigan to get his Masters degree, then I have some great land in the Bahamas to sell you.


You're right, you're allowed to make judgments about collegiate players. And I'm allowed to criticize your judgments about Jaaron Simmons for being embarrassing. You're reacting like a high schooler who just got dumped; nitpicking flaws, pointing out lack of accomplishments, etc. And why? Because somebody graduated from Ohio Iniversity and made a decision about the next step in his life that you disagree with.

Your attitude towards Simmons says far more about you than it does about him.
Back to Top
  
cbus cat fan
General User

Member Since: 12/2/2011
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Jaaron Simmons to Michigan
   Posted: 4/25/2017 9:43:47 PM 
I realize the mood is gloomy, but perhaps a little perspective is needed. The University of Dayton had some real tragedies and unfortunate occurrences with players not returning a few years ago. Then out of the blue they made a unforeseen tournament run because players stepped up who might not have had the chance. Hopefully, this will happen with our squad in the upcoming season.

I wish Jarron well, I am not happy about it, but I am not angry about it. I don't think this is something that sits well with other players. Again, I hope Jaaron makes it to the NBA, but as others have said, if I were a betting man my money would be on DJ making an NBA roster before Jaaron makes one. He made too many unforced dribble drives in the paint, not to mention the unforgettable way our season ended. Just another reason to dislike Michigan, would love to put an end to another one of their seasons next March.
Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  51 - 75  of 178 Posts
Jump to Page:  < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8    Next >
View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



WHO'S ONLINE
There are 267 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com
265 Guests
2 Registered Users:
 Casper71, colobobcat66
There are no other users looking at this page.




Copyright ©2024 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties