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OU_Country
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Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/20/2017 4:05:36 PM

We've seen similar thoughts about his approach to the game, but this is from last week.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-dantoni-basketba... /

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/22/2017 12:58:30 PM

Interesting article. I wonder if their recruiting will improve under Dan, with his NBA pedigree and all.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/22/2017 1:41:19 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Interesting article. I wonder if their recruiting will improve under Dan, with his NBA pedigree and all.

And his fashion sense...

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/22/2017 10:02:12 PM

The 3pt game has evolved. I can remember when a game was notable if more than 5 shots were landed from behind the arc. You'd have a 3pt specialist (usually a 6th man type shooting guard) who if open would see the ball. Then we started seeing the emergence of a 4 or 5 that could surprise by hitting a 3 when left open at the top of the key. It became important enough that bigs needed a 3 in the repertoire. Then a generation of basketballers grow up with the 3 and the offense is redsigned around the 3 pointer because 33% from 3 is the same productivity wise as shooting 50% from 2. It's taken decades to get the point where it was fully embraced.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 8:50:44 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

The first team I remember that was known for shooting a ton of 3s was the 1986-87 Providence Friars coached by Rick Pitino with Billy Donovan and Delray Brooks. That team took 665 threes in 34 games. Their opponents took 349. Fast forward 30 years. We've taken 638 in 26 games. That puts us 5th in the MAC and 101st in the nation. Central has taken 983 to put them 3rd in the nation. Akron is 6th with 780. Only 3 teams out of 351 have taken as few as the 349 taken against Providence in 1987.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 9:58:05 AM

I'm curious who those teams are, and what the records of those three teams are Van?

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 10:01:05 AM

OUVan wrote:

Uncle Wes wrote:

There's a line somewhere in my mind that says attempting on average 35+ three point shots a game isn't a good thing. I feel like often times, Ohio's 3pt attempts are generally within the offense. They also get into the lane a lot. 35+ a game seems like there have to be a dozen per game that are forced and under defensive pressure.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 10:39:44 AM

OU_Country wrote:

I'm curious who those teams are, and what the records of those three teams are Van?

Evansville - 320 att, 37.2% 14-16 (ranked 156 by KenPom)
CSU Northridge - 337, 36.8% 11-14 (271)
New Orleans - 343, 34.1% 16-9 (180)

on the other end of the spectrum:

Savannah State - 1,070 3pt att, 32.9% 10-16 (324)
The Citadel - 1,060 3pt att, 33.5% 9-20 (311)
CMU - 983 3pt att, 36.1% 16-12 (216)
Lipscomb - 848, 36.2% 18-12 (168)
Wyoming - 788, 33.0% 16-12 (145)
Akron - 780, 37.6% 22-6 (108)
UNC-Wilmington 777, 36.0%, 24-5 (57)

The real indicator is 3pt percentage though. There are 13 teams shooting under 30% from three and all but Texas Southern has a record well under .500. St. Francis (NY) gets the WTF? award for being 13th in the nation in 3pt attempts and being #348 in 3pt %. Their coach has earned their 4-25 record.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 11:54:20 AM

OUVan wrote:

St. Francis (NY) gets the WTF? award for being 13th in the nation in 3pt attempts and being #348 in 3pt %. Their coach has earned their 4-25 record.

You would think the players and coaches would eventually stop and consider, "why are our players so wide open beyond the arc."

Or maybe the team is made up of players like that wannabe down at the Y that hits 1 out of 11 shots from 3, thinks he's the next Steph Curry because of that one made attempt, and keeps chucking.

Last Edited: 2/23/2017 3:21:17 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 12:22:05 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

OUVan wrote:

St. Francis (NY) gets the WTF? award for being 13th in the nation in 3pt attempts and being #348 in 3pt %. Their coach has earned their 4-25 record.

You would think the players and coaches would eventually stop and consider, "why are our players are so wide open beyond the arc."

Or maybe the team is made up of players like that wannabe down at the Y that hits 1 out of 11 shots from 3, thinks he's the next Steph Curry because of that one made attempt, and keeps chucking.

LMAO

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 12:40:23 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

OUVan wrote:

St. Francis (NY) gets the WTF? award for being 13th in the nation in 3pt attempts and being #348 in 3pt %. Their coach has earned their 4-25 record.

I was ON FIRE once that first one went down. FEED THE BEAST.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 3:52:41 PM

Some years ago while grabbing lunch at a barbecue place in Columbus (and wearing a Bobcat windbreaker,) an employee (maybe the manager or general manager?) started chatting with me about the MAC. He was a Marshall man, and he knew Marshall in and out. He even told me about being in high school during the horrible plane crash and how he, and seemingly everyone in town, drove as close to the airport as possible to see what had happened. He went on to say he even met some (injured players, staff?) who didn't go to the game.

Anyway, he went on to tell me about Dan D'Antoni with whom I wasn't familiar, though I did know about his brother. The manager claimed he had just met him (after not seeing him for years) while on a vacation in Myrtle Beach, where Coach D'Antoni was a highly respected high school coach. The manager went on to tell me that he he was going places and he hoped someday he would make it back to Huntington. I didn't think much of it since he said Coach D'Antoni was still a high school coach. However a couple years back, when I heard Coach D'Antoni was named Marshall's coach, that lunch experience suddenly popped back into my mind.

Last Edited: 2/23/2017 3:53:50 PM by cbus cat fan

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 4:00:55 PM

Good piece on D'Antoni. I enjoyed it and thanks for sharing. He makes some good points.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 9:52:57 PM

cbus cat fan wrote:

Thanks for sharing this interesting personal anecdote.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 10:33:59 PM

Dan Dantoni has exceeded my expectations. I was very skeptical of the hire, but it has turned out well.

ITs hard to argue with the numbers, but I wonder about the quality of the research.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/23/2017 11:19:36 PM

Ohio Cat Fan. I could have gone on and on with that post. The gentleman told a riveting story about the night of the horrible plane crash. He claims that he and his brother gave one of the players who did not make the trip a ride back to town, because he was so distraught. I would have to watch the movie again, but he claims there is a scene in the movie that describes the whole thing. I forget how many players, student managers etc didn't make the trip because of injury, illness, lack of space on the plane etc.

He told me all kinds of stories about Marshall and the way players "found summer work help." We discussed the reason why Marshall was kicked out the MAC in the late 1960s, not just summer work help stories, but mysterious envelopes full of money that just showed up, as well as a plethora of side issues, stories etc. The whole Coach D'Antoni thing was interesting because he was still a high school coach in Myrtle Beach at the time, and it would be years before he made it back to Huntington.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/24/2017 12:01:55 AM

cbus cat fan, it's certainly possible that there were players who didn't make the flight at the airport waiting there to pick up friends who were on the plane. I had never heard that story that I can remember, but it strikes me as probably accurate. I'm sure that if there were such players at the airport that they would have become distraught beyond measure. I will have to admit that unlike some of my colleagues in the journalism department I did not go out to the airport that evening. The authorities were urging everyone to stay away until the situation was under control. I watched with horror the TV coverage. Several of our student reporters went to the airport, as well as a few faculty members. I was one two advisers of the student newspaper that year. We were both junior faculty members in our first year at Marshall. It was the senior faculty members who accompanied the students to that awful scene. I have often second guessed my decision not to go to scene immediately. I do not believe it was one of my finest moments. For the next several weeks after that I worked like hell to help the student reporters do the best job possible of reporting the many, many stories needed to cover all the aspects of this multi-faceted tragedy.

I'll take this opportunity to announce to the BA masses, some of whom may remember a previous post that I made about our efforts to raise $15,000 to endow a sportswriting scholarship at Marshall to honor Jeffrey Nathan, the sports editor of the student newspaper, who was killed in the crash, that I've just learned we are now within about $1,500 of reaching that goal. We have identified a few other donors who should put us "over the top" within the next few months. Jeff Nathan, by the way, was a native of Parkersburg and is buried there. It has been a long, long struggle to accomplish this goal, and we are now almost there. In a strange way this will relieve a burden that I've been carrying for a long time. I already feel a great sense of release. I hope I don't receive a bill from BA for psychological counseling as I sit here on the BA couch and babble on in Freudian fashion.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/24/2017 8:49:24 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Dan Dantoni has exceeded my expectations. I was very skeptical of the hire, but it has turned out well.

ITs hard to argue with the numbers, but I wonder about the quality of the research.

Completely agree. I remember going into last year's game with them expecting to see a train wreck but came away impressed with his system. If he can recruit the right players it could be really hard to defend.

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/24/2017 9:57:16 AM

Ohio Cat Fan, a very thought provoking post. I do remember the gentleman told me that he and his brother, both of whom were still in high school, took the family pick up truck as far as they could go, before the authorities stopped traffic. It sounds like it was a chaotic scene and they could see the fire and smell the smoke.

As best as I can remember after they left the scene, they spotted a young black man and a young white man aimlessly walking along the road back to Huntington. They recognized them as a player and possibly a student trainer? Both young men had indicated that they had not made the trip--the player due to injury and the trainer due to lack of space. The gentleman told me that he and his brother feared for their safety and implored them to get into the back of the pick up truck, since they seemed in a daze. They took them back to campus. I am sure I am missing some more details, but that's what I remember.

Last Edited: 2/24/2017 9:59:41 AM by cbus cat fan

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/24/2017 10:53:53 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

While I had heard scattered details on ESPN etc. by virtue of following college football growing up, it was not until I went on a campus visit to Marshall in high school that I learned much more about the plane crash tragedy on my campus tour, which included a stop at the fountain. Ever since then, my dad and I (he was with me on the tour and was equally impacted by the story) have always wanted to learn as much as we could about it. We went together to see We are Marshall in the theater when it came out, done some traveling around Huntington/Cabell County to view landmarks/memorials etc. While I can't stand The Herd on the field of competition, I will always honor and respect what they went through and I am sure many still go through to this day.

I would imagine that there would have been a decent number of freshmen who had been recruited into the program who were not eligible to play nor made the trip to ECU?

OCF-not that you need my counsel/encouragement but I personally think you did the right thing by honoring the wishes of local authorities and not becoming one more barrier to the rescue/response efforts. Yes providing press coverage is important but far less than workers trying to save lives and preserve those killed's dignity.

Do you know of any kind of compilation book that shares photos, press clippings, anecdotes etc. about the crash?

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RE: Piece on D'Antoni and Marshall

Posted: 2/24/2017 3:06:37 PM

OUcats82, I do have some of the materials you are requesting. Please PM me and I will give some names, publishers, etc.

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