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Topic: RE: OT: NBA offseason

Topic: RE: OT: NBA offseason

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GoCats105
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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/8/2016 7:19:38 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

So is Dwyane Wade weak because he left Miami for Chicago? Wade was beloved in Miami and has spent his whole career there. Miami is arguably in a better position for the playoffs than Chicago now that everyone on Chicago has gone elsewhere. But Miami wasn't willing to pay him what he wanted, even though Wade has NEVER been the highest paid player on the Heat in his entire career.

He's doing what's right for him and so is Durant.

1) No.

2) I'm not speaking about how it feels to Durant. He can do what he wants. I'm talking about how I feel. Or, as we like to say, the truth.

4) Do you, or your representatives, seriously think that an end-of-career Wade leaving a not-real-good Heat and going to a wasn't-and-won't-be good Bulls is the same as a prime year Durant leaving a very good, edge-of-title OKC for an extremely good Oakland?

Please show better ability to construct analogy.

5) Yes; I agree that moving for Wade is (rightfully) about ColdCash whereas it's not about that for Durant, who's taking what appears to be a cakewalk waltz (oh!) to a title.

Durant = lame

It's the same in that both players are supposedly beloved by their fan bases and the reaction to each leaving by the media has been somewhat negative. And I'm not willing to just hand Golden State the title. They still lost two big men in Bogut and now Ezeli as well as Barnes, who even for as bad as he was in the Finals was still a key player at moments during the season. Getting Durant and David West for those three is still a better option, but it's not like I'm going to just give them the championship right now. We saw what happened with that this past season.

Last Edited: 7/8/2016 7:19:56 AM by GoCats105

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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/8/2016 9:33:30 AM

I like that Durant stays in the west. Cleveland has to figure out a way to beat them in the finals. It can be done.

Had Wade not already won several championships he would have taken less money and signed with Cleveland. Many guys have done that in the past, guys who want to win before they retire. Karl Malone comes to mind. Wade has bling and just wants to get paid.

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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/8/2016 11:29:56 AM

To me, the distinction between LeBron leaving for Miami and Durant leaving for GS is the historical comparisons commentators and fans make.

LeBron is spoken in terms of G.O.A.T. Is he better Jordan? Before The Decision, that was a real conversation. After The Decision, no, because no matter how many titles he won, he had to join a cast of all-stars to get them. Now that he's won a championship in Cleveland, beating an historically great team, that conversation's back open. If he wins a few more in Cleveland, beating a GSW team that on paper may be the most talented of all-time? Maybe he is. But that was the only way he could repair his reputation and get back into the conversation.

That's not an issue for Durant, because I don't think he's ever been a contender for G.O.A.T. I'm sure someone somewhere has argued he deserves consideration, but there's not a lot of talk like that. If he'd won a title in OKC, he still wouldn't be in the G.O.A.T. conversation. Leaving for GSW doesn't change that.

Ironically, I think Curry could get into the G.O.A.T. conversation after his contract is up in GS, if he leaves town and wins rings somewhere else. He's probably the greatest pure shooter in NBA history. If he can go elsewhere and win just as much as he did in GS, yeah, that'd be worth a couple offseasons of hot takes.

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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/8/2016 10:33:09 PM

You just more or less compared Curry (a very good player) and LeBron.

No. This simply can't be done.

Please state Curry's NBA stats and league impact thru age 25 and the same for LeBron.

Then, compare the after 25, though the before-25 stats and impact make this step unnecessary.

Peoples underestimate the greatness of LeBron.
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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/8/2016 11:19:30 PM

Dude, c'mon...

I didn't compare Curry and LeBron at all. In fact, I differentiated between them by saying LeBron is back in the conversation for greatest of all time, because he was able to win in Cleveland (i.e., he proved he didn't need Wade, Bosh, etc. to win his rings)....Curry hasn't done that yet, and he would have to leave Golden State's team of all-stars and win without that supporting cast to prove he's at that level.

Now, do I think he COULD POSSIBLY do that? Sure, it's possible. He's the only player to lead the NBA in 3s four consecutive seasons, and those four seasons rank #1, #2, #4, and #7 in NBA history. If he could put up those kinds of numbers on a different team and win, say, 3 more rings, then yes, I think he'd be in the conversation too.

But he isn't there yet.

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RE: OT: NBA offseason

Posted: 7/9/2016 12:53:08 AM

No.

Put LeBron on any team in the league and that team would be a serious threat to at least make the conference finals.

Curry, no. He's a brilliant shooter, taking wise advantage of the math that 3 seems to be more than 2.

Alltime players have more than one skill.

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