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Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 1:03:27 PM  I can say this much, it's making it harder to enjoy for me. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 1:46:16 PM  OU_Country wrote: I can say this much, it's making it harder to enjoy for me. Yet they just had one of their best seasons in recent memory. Secretly I think the NBA execs want these stars to team up. It makes the games like Super Bowls every time out on the court. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 1:52:26 PM  C Money wrote: This gets more insane every day. -OJ Mayo banned for substance abuse. -Mike Conley becomes the league's highest paid player. -Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to the Knicks. -Pau Gasol to the Spurs -Kevin Durant to the Warriors (how the hell is anyone going to beat Golden Sta...oh wait what's that????) -DWAYNE WADE IS ABOUT TO SIGN WITH THE CAVS??????? Just saw DWade is looking for a 2yr/$50M deal. I don't think the Cavs can do that can they? Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 1:58:14 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Just saw DWade is looking for a 2yr/$50M deal. I don't think the Cavs can do that can they? I've never figured out exactly how the NBA salary cap works, but from what I'm reading the most Cleveland can offer is $3.4 million and a huge middle finger to Pat Riley. They could trade some players to up their cap space a bit, but that decreases the size of the middle finger. EDIT TO ADD: The wildcard is that LeBron still hasn't signed. He says he's going to, but he hasn't yet. Maaaaaaaaaybe he'd take less money to play with his best friend again. Maybe. Last Edited: 7/5/2016 1:59:25 PM by C Money Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 2:26:24 PM  C Money wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Just saw DWade is looking for a 2yr/$50M deal. I don't think the Cavs can do that can they? I've never figured out exactly how the NBA salary cap works, but from what I'm reading the most Cleveland can offer is $3.4 million and a huge middle finger to Pat Riley. They could trade some players to up their cap space a bit, but that decreases the size of the middle finger. EDIT TO ADD: The wildcard is that LeBron still hasn't signed. He says he's going to, but he hasn't yet. Maaaaaaaaaybe he'd take less money to play with his best friend again. Maybe. This has probably been the most interesting offseason of any sport in a long time. The fact that some players (cough, Harrison Barnes, cough) are getting max deals when they shouldn't be is compelling. Will be interesting to see how many plays they take off now that they've got paid. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 3:55:02 PM  GoCats105 wrote: C Money wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Just saw DWade is looking for a 2yr/$50M deal. I don't think the Cavs can do that can they? I've never figured out exactly how the NBA salary cap works, but from what I'm reading the most Cleveland can offer is $3.4 million and a huge middle finger to Pat Riley. They could trade some players to up their cap space a bit, but that decreases the size of the middle finger. EDIT TO ADD: The wildcard is that LeBron still hasn't signed. He says he's going to, but he hasn't yet. Maaaaaaaaaybe he'd take less money to play with his best friend again. Maybe. This has probably been the most interesting offseason of any sport in a long time. The fact that some players (cough, Harrison Barnes, cough) are getting max deals when they shouldn't be is compelling. Will be interesting to see how many plays they take off now that they've got paid. What could be more interesting is to see what happens if the revenue streams decline in the future. We've seen ESPN get into financial problems because of paying huge rights fees. At some point the well has to go dry, right? Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 4:08:05 PM  Durant = lame. In all pro sports, I'm thinking that we're near a point that home attendance will drop innabigway for those teams that have no chance at all of winning a title in a given year. Maybe when a star-studded team comes to town, the fans will come out. But why go to a Minne Twin or Orlando Magic etc game when you know you're team's quite mediocre and has little chance of making the playoffs and no chance of a title? Espec at the way tickets are high-priced now. Those leagues that share revenue may be able to ease this. But leagues (baseball ?) which let teams keep all their local TV revenue are dooming the small market teams...it would appear. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 5:00:38 PM  C Money wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Just saw DWade is looking for a 2yr/$50M deal. I don't think the Cavs can do that can they? I've never figured out exactly how the NBA salary cap works, but from what I'm reading the most Cleveland can offer is $3.4 million and a huge middle finger to Pat Riley. They could trade some players to up their cap space a bit, but that decreases the size of the middle finger. EDIT TO ADD: The wildcard is that LeBron still hasn't signed. He says he's going to, but he hasn't yet. Maaaaaaaaaybe he'd take less money to play with his best friend again. Maybe. The Cavs are pretty much over the salary cap even without LeBron signed, so there's no way they could offer Wade more than the low-level exception of $3.4 million. Unless they traded away a ton of salary, but then they'd likely be giving up one or more key players like Love or Thompson. And even then, LeBron and Wade would have to take WAY less money. It's really not realistic. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,695 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 5:24:04 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Those leagues that share revenue may be able to ease this. But leagues (baseball ?) which let teams keep all their local TV revenue are dooming the small market teams...it would appear. That's funny considering MLB has significantly better parity than the NFL and NBA. It just goes to show that a salary cap is nothing more than a tool by the owners to keep salaries from their market and stuff the owners pockets. I've never understood why fans so predominantly support salary caps. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 8:46:10 PM  Yeah, there's no way Wade is coming to the CAVS. Just more of that wacky Internet speculation. I think what's crazier is that Matthew Dellavadova and Timofey Mozgov, 2 players who literally rode the bench during the NBA Finals, both signed contracts whose combined total is $100 million! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 9:15:32 PM  After setting the NBA win total last year Golden State will win 5-8 games less with Durant than without him. LeBron wins another title in Cleveland against Durant. The critics will be all over it. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/5/2016 10:01:40 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Those leagues that share revenue may be able to ease this. But leagues (baseball ?) which let teams keep all their local TV revenue are dooming the small market teams...it would appear. That's funny considering MLB has significantly better parity than the NFL and NBA. It just goes to show that a salary cap is nothing more than a tool by the owners to keep salaries from their market and stuff the owners pockets. I've never understood why fans so predominantly support salary caps. I think in large part that's just the nature of the sport of baseball. Few teams win or lose outside of the 40-60 percent range. In other sports, the better teams are more apt to win every single time. There are so many variables that there really isn't much difference from one team to the next. And even with that being the case, I'm well aware of the Tigers' 12 straight seasons with a losing record. The Pirates had a streak of 20 in a row. The Orioles 14, the Brewers 12 and the Royals and Reds nine. All of those teams had those streaks end within the last 11 years. So maybe things have changed for the better in baseball recently. There have been some revenue-sharing initiatives that maybe factored into more parody in baseball. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,304 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 11:54:59 AM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Those leagues that share revenue may be able to ease this. But leagues (baseball ?) which let teams keep all their local TV revenue are dooming the small market teams...it would appear. That's funny considering MLB has significantly better parity than the NFL and NBA. It just goes to show that a salary cap is nothing more than a tool by the owners to keep salaries from their market and stuff the owners pockets. I've never understood why fans so predominantly support salary caps. I think in large part that's just the nature of the sport of baseball. Few teams win or lose outside of the 40-60 percent range. In other sports, the better teams are more apt to win every single time. There are so many variables that there really isn't much difference from one team to the next. And even with that being the case, I'm well aware of the Tigers' 12 straight seasons with a losing record. The Pirates had a streak of 20 in a row. The Orioles 14, the Brewers 12 and the Royals and Reds nine. All of those teams had those streaks end within the last 11 years. So maybe things have changed for the better in baseball recently. There have been some revenue-sharing initiatives that maybe factored into more parody in baseball. One can only hope for more parody! I so miss the blooper videos on This Week in Baseball! That said, I love that there is more parity as well :) Revenue sharing is a big factor, but there has really just been a great influx of young talent into the league in recent years. Teams with smart GMs and good minor league systems can easily compete with the big boys. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 12:01:03 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Durant = lame. I've never understood this hate that players get for leaving for other teams. They don't have a say in where they get drafted, but when they want to leave after not winning anything for years and years and years they get killed by the fans and media. I never hated LeBron for going to Miami and I don't hate Durant for going to Golden State. Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 2:55:51 PM  I haven't watched an NBA game end to end since the late '80's. This NBA season, I don't believe I watched a combined 48 minutes of action, including the post season. That probably makes me lame. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 4:03:55 PM  Durant = lame. OKC fans have been extremely supportive, taken him to their heart bigtime. OKC assembled a championship caliber team (unlike Cavs first go with LeBron when he had little talent around him). Going to an Oakland squad that is already stacked, coming off best NBA regular season ever, one championship recently earned and only missed a second by a few points. (Unlike what LeBron went to in Miami.) Durant took the easiest possible path. To have brought a title to OKC would have made him immortal. Now, he stands to be a mere footnote. He has the right to go...but I don't like it a bit. Neither do you. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 4:30:03 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Durant = lame. OKC fans have been extremely supportive, taken him to their heart bigtime. OKC assembled a championship caliber team (unlike Cavs first go with LeBron when he had little talent around him). Going to an Oakland squad that is already stacked, coming off best NBA regular season ever, one championship recently earned and only missed a second by a few points. (Unlike what LeBron went to in Miami.) Durant took the easiest possible path. To have brought a title to OKC would have made him immortal. Now, he stands to be a mere footnote. He has the right to go...but I don't like it a bit. Neither do you. Actually I do like it because I like the way Golden State plays. I'm interested to see if they can have four players that average 20+ points a game and a team that assists on almost every basket. They are the anti-NBA team, if there is such a thing (no isolations). But you kind of make my point. Durant and friends go up 3-1 on the Warriors and they STILL lose. He's probably thinking "if we can't beat them up 3-1, we're never beating them." He's a bad guy for realizing that? Cmon. Also - the Thunder got rid of Ibaka. They did acquire Oladipo from the Magic, but does that make them better than the Warriors? Who just happen to sign David West also? I don't think so. Last Edited: 7/6/2016 4:31:40 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,789 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/6/2016 5:18:56 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Durant = lame. OKC fans have been extremely supportive, taken him to their heart bigtime. OKC assembled a championship caliber team (unlike Cavs first go with LeBron when he had little talent around him). Going to an Oakland squad that is already stacked, coming off best NBA regular season ever, one championship recently earned and only missed a second by a few points. (Unlike what LeBron went to in Miami.) Durant took the easiest possible path. To have brought a title to OKC would have made him immortal. Now, he stands to be a mere footnote. He has the right to go...but I don't like it a bit. Neither do you. I know a lot of Cavs fans really mad about this. I generally believe it is because of their hate for the Warriors. They just beat them for the title, and instead of celebrating, they worry about what some other team is doing. Monroe tries to explain why it was different when LeBron did it, but to me, he just shows me that Durant is far from the first to do it. It's the same thing no matter how you try to paint it. The Heat were just as stacked when he and his friends agreed to form their own super team. And LeBron was letting down his hometown team. Durant had no connection to Oklahoma City until the team moved there. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 2:15:27 AM  No. Analogy fails at key points. (Left very fine team and went to already best team.) No. Heat was sorta stacked once LeBron and Bosh got there--but unproven, unlike Oakland. No. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 2:15:43 AM  Durant = weak. If he wins title at Oakland, he'll be a ho hum part of a stacked team. LeBron winning title in Cleveland is IMMORTAL. Last Edited: 7/7/2016 2:16:31 AM by Monroe Slavin Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 10:19:53 AM  So is Dwyane Wade weak because he left Miami for Chicago? Wade was beloved in Miami and has spent his whole career there. Miami is arguably in a better position for the playoffs than Chicago now that everyone on Chicago has gone elsewhere. But Miami wasn't willing to pay him what he wanted, even though Wade has NEVER been the highest paid player on the Heat in his entire career. He's doing what's right for him and so is Durant. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,491 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 2:37:21 PM  The reason I don't like Durant's move is because to me it feels like a cop-out, leaving a very good team for the team that beat you in the playoffs (because your entire team, Durant included, choked, I might add). It's taking the easy road because you can't handle any other way. It would be like Tony Campbell transferring to Akron to win a MAC title. If Quentin Poling left Ohio to transfer to BGSU, would we wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors? I don't think we would. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 3:51:45 PM  100%Cat wrote: The reason I don't like Durant's move is because to me it feels like a cop-out, leaving a very good team for the team that beat you in the playoffs (because your entire team, Durant included, choked, I might add). It's taking the easy road because you can't handle any other way. It would be like Tony Campbell transferring to Akron to win a MAC title. If Quentin Poling left Ohio to transfer to BGSU, would we wish him nothing but the best in his future endeavors? I don't think we would. Now you're just trying to get Monroe fired up about MAC titles in football. ;) I don't see how it's a cop out because he's going to a better team than the one he was on. Why shouldn't he WANT to play with the best players? This old diatribe of "loyalty" and "winning alone" is so overplayed in professional sports. Miami was real reciprocating of Wade's loyalty to his franchise this past week weren't they? But if the player does the same thing he's a bad guy? Why? Michael Jordan completely destroyed the outlook of championships for pro sports athletes as we know it. The thing nobody ever talks about is that Michael struggled for years before he even sniffed the Finals. And that he really didn't start getting closer until Scottie Pippen got there. Everyone has to win a title on their own or they are labeled not good enough, or not willing to carry a team or God forbid not TOUGH enough to carry a team. Maybe Durant was pissed about Ibaka not getting resigned. Maybe he didn't like Russell Westbrook as a basketball player. Maybe he likes playing with Curry, Thompson and friends more. That's shouldn't be a problem and it is. In your (not you personally) professional career, it would be the exact same thing as you moving to another company and working with better talent to make your job easier. Who wouldn't want that? Durant plays a game for a sport, but it's his job. It shouldn't matter who he loses to. Had LeBron's Cavs lost to Miami in his last season in Cleveland the first time around, it would have been the exact same sentiment. People killed LeBron and now those same exact Cleveland fans who burned his jersey are singing his praises. Why couldn't they just appreciate him for what he was and how great of a player he was for their franchise at the time? Most franchises don't get a LeBron James once. Cleveland has had him twice. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: OT: NBA offseason    Posted: 7/7/2016 7:05:11 PM  GoCats105 wrote: So is Dwyane Wade weak because he left Miami for Chicago? Wade was beloved in Miami and has spent his whole career there. Miami is arguably in a better position for the playoffs than Chicago now that everyone on Chicago has gone elsewhere. But Miami wasn't willing to pay him what he wanted, even though Wade has NEVER been the highest paid player on the Heat in his entire career. He's doing what's right for him and so is Durant. 1) No. 2) I'm not speaking about how it feels to Durant. He can do what he wants. I'm talking about how I feel. Or, as we like to say, the truth. 4) Do you, or your representatives, seriously think that an end-of-career Wade leaving a not-real-good Heat and going to a wasn't-and-won't-be good Bulls is the same as a prime year Durant leaving a very good, edge-of-title OKC for an extremely good Oakland? Please show better ability to construct analogy. 5) Yes; I agree that moving for Wade is (rightfully) about ColdCash whereas it's not about that for Durant, who's taking what appears to be a cakewalk waltz (oh!) to a title. Durant = lame Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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