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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion
   Posted: 6/19/2016 1:23:14 PM 
Alan, simply that these examples I cited didn't come from our beloved university, they came from frustrated students I spoke with at other universities and colleges in the state. When I spoke with administrators at Ohio, I never got the impression that they were trying to hide anything from the students. They seemed pretty upfront about what the job market was projecting. I can only speak for Education, so that is why I ask other to chime in regarding their particular fields and disciplines.
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   Posted: 6/20/2016 10:04:03 PM 
David E Brightbill wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:


The elephant in the room is the structure of college and universities. The number of higher education institutions on some sort of financial watch list is more than a little sobering. Skyrocketing tuition and debt caused by student's majoring in ridiculous non job prospect majors is a racket that keeps on suckering students and their parents. Student fees and athletic spending are small potatoes compared to the sheer chicanery that is the structure of higher education.



Well said. I agree completely.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I believe that when you declare a major,the college/university you're attending,should be required to tell you what your job prospects are.

I know one Ivy used to offer a degree in "Folklore and Mythology".Don't know if they still do.Anyway,unless people have trolls living under their porch that they need to get rid of,there doesn't seem to be much a college could say about your job prospects with that degree.

I don't usually say anything about this kind of stuff, but we are talking about a university or college not a vocational school. There are many reasons to get an education, a job is one of the more important ones for most people but not all. A liberal Arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things in life including a job. Besides who are you or for that matter who am I to tell people that they can only major in something that has a job at the end. do you know what skills will be needed 10 years from now.



Got to agree with David on this one especially the part about 10 years from now. I went to college at the ripe old age of 18 to become a Presbyterian minister. Ended up majoring in history and getting a teaching certificate and taught for 4 1/2 years. Became a 1099 yearbook rep for 23 years and have been in yearbook sales management for the last 10. Not sure how anyone could have told me what my job prospects were on entering college or declaring a major. "A good liberal arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things."
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion
   Posted: 6/20/2016 11:09:11 PM 
Agree with David and Alan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion
   Posted: 6/21/2016 6:34:37 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
David E Brightbill wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:


The elephant in the room is the structure of college and universities. The number of higher education institutions on some sort of financial watch list is more than a little sobering. Skyrocketing tuition and debt caused by student's majoring in ridiculous non job prospect majors is a racket that keeps on suckering students and their parents. Student fees and athletic spending are small potatoes compared to the sheer chicanery that is the structure of higher education.



Well said. I agree completely.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I believe that when you declare a major,the college/university you're attending,should be required to tell you what your job prospects are.

I know one Ivy used to offer a degree in "Folklore and Mythology".Don't know if they still do.Anyway,unless people have trolls living under their porch that they need to get rid of,there doesn't seem to be much a college could say about your job prospects with that degree.

I don't usually say anything about this kind of stuff, but we are talking about a university or college not a vocational school. There are many reasons to get an education, a job is one of the more important ones for most people but not all. A liberal Arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things in life including a job. Besides who are you or for that matter who am I to tell people that they can only major in something that has a job at the end. do you know what skills will be needed 10 years from now.



Got to agree with David on this one especially the part about 10 years from now. I went to college at the ripe old age of 18 to become a Presbyterian minister. Ended up majoring in history and getting a teaching certificate and taught for 4 1/2 years. Became a 1099 yearbook rep for 23 years and have been in yearbook sales management for the last 10. Not sure how anyone could have told me what my job prospects were on entering college or declaring a major. "A good liberal arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things."



There have been a few posts with examples of people with a liberal arts education being able to thrive in the "real world" in careers not necessarily directly related to their degree.
No question,that does happen.
Thing is,from talking to people around here who have or whose kids have,liberal arts degrees,it seems to be more of the exception then the rule.

On a completely different aspect of this topic.
There was a very good article in the N.Y. Times last Sunday (sorry can't link it) on the hard times students and faculty at Valparaiso Law School in Indiana are having.
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   Posted: 6/21/2016 9:35:51 AM 
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion
   Posted: 6/21/2016 9:47:14 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
David E Brightbill wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:


The elephant in the room is the structure of college and universities. The number of higher education institutions on some sort of financial watch list is more than a little sobering. Skyrocketing tuition and debt caused by student's majoring in ridiculous non job prospect majors is a racket that keeps on suckering students and their parents. Student fees and athletic spending are small potatoes compared to the sheer chicanery that is the structure of higher education.



Well said. I agree completely.


I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I believe that when you declare a major,the college/university you're attending,should be required to tell you what your job prospects are.

I know one Ivy used to offer a degree in "Folklore and Mythology".Don't know if they still do.Anyway,unless people have trolls living under their porch that they need to get rid of,there doesn't seem to be much a college could say about your job prospects with that degree.

I don't usually say anything about this kind of stuff, but we are talking about a university or college not a vocational school. There are many reasons to get an education, a job is one of the more important ones for most people but not all. A liberal Arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things in life including a job. Besides who are you or for that matter who am I to tell people that they can only major in something that has a job at the end. do you know what skills will be needed 10 years from now.



Got to agree with David on this one especially the part about 10 years from now. I went to college at the ripe old age of 18 to become a Presbyterian minister. Ended up majoring in history and getting a teaching certificate and taught for 4 1/2 years. Became a 1099 yearbook rep for 23 years and have been in yearbook sales management for the last 10. Not sure how anyone could have told me what my job prospects were on entering college or declaring a major. "A good liberal arts education can prepare you for all kinds of different things."



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   Posted: 6/21/2016 1:25:54 PM 
Still, whether you are prescient or not, facts are facts. There are more graduates out there than there are jobs. Let's be up front about that with applicants. If people still want the degree, the experience, fine and let them pay for it, not me or any other taxpayer.

I've noted this here before but for me the proliferation of "Executive" MBA programs belongs at the top of this list.

"So, you got a college degree and now you're in entry level customer service (i.e. sales) come to XYZ U part-time and obtain your MBA, your ticket to the corner office. It's only going to cost you two or three years wages."

Except it's BS. Forty years into my financial management career with executive turns, I've met exactly no one who was hired or promoted because they have an MBA. There are lots of great job candidates who HAVE an MBA but it's icing on the cake and indicative of personal drive and direction - not the other way around.
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   Posted: 6/21/2016 1:41:03 PM 
I don't think anyone is arguing that you cannot be successful with a liberal arts degree. We could tell story after story about people who have succeeded in fields completely unrelated to their degree... Reasons for this? I think as many have mentioned developing critical-thinking and writing skills is something vastly important in many different occupations.

I think the problem with these degrees is more their "floor" than their "ceiling." Does an Engineering degree guarantee you a good job? No, but I would argue the "floor" is much higher than the "floor" for a degree in Ceramics.

We'll always have "winners and losers" with any degree... The big difference from years ago is that you paid a lot of money (and very likely took on debt) to get that degree in Ceramics.

I don't disagree there is more to college than "getting an occupation" but it's hard for me to justify that "qualitative" value when the cost of getting that education is going to put many young people in a very less than ideal financial situation.

...

And I'll continue to beat this dead horse... Eliminating student fees for athletics does not address the problem of students graduating with huge amounts of debt and a degree that does not generate a financial return to justify that debt.
I cannot began to comprehend the vast structural changes our higher education system would need to undergo to address that.

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   Posted: 6/21/2016 2:14:36 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
I don't think anyone is arguing that you cannot be successful with a liberal arts degree. We could tell story after story about people who have succeeded in fields completely unrelated to their degree... Reasons for this? I think as many have mentioned developing critical-thinking and writing skills is something vastly important in many different occupations.

I think the problem with these degrees is more their "floor" than their "ceiling." Does an Engineering degree guarantee you a good job? No, but I would argue the "floor" is much higher than the "floor" for a degree in Ceramics.

We'll always have "winners and losers" with any degree... The big difference from years ago is that you paid a lot of money (and very likely took on debt) to get that degree in Ceramics.

I don't disagree there is more to college than "getting an occupation" but it's hard for me to justify that "qualitative" value when the cost of getting that education is going to put many young people in a very less than ideal financial situation.

...

And I'll continue to beat this dead horse... Eliminating student fees for athletics does not address the problem of students graduating with huge amounts of debt and a degree that does not generate a financial return to justify that debt.
I cannot began to comprehend the vast structural changes our higher education system would need to undergo to address that.


Well said. Great point regarding the "floor" concept.
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   Posted: 6/21/2016 2:16:29 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
I cannot began to comprehend the vast structural changes our higher education system would need to undergo to address that.


Naive and sincere question: Does anyone here know if the cost of a college degree has exceeded the cost of inflation less the decrease in the state subsidy over the last 30 years requiring the person pursuing the degree to pick up the tab for the state subsidy?



Last Edited: 6/21/2016 2:16:49 PM by D.A.

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   Posted: 6/21/2016 3:53:20 PM 
https://www.ohio.edu/instres/Factbook/tuitroom.html

This link takes you back to the beginning with tuition and room and board.

In 1977, my freshman year, tuition was 330/quarter, or 990/yr. If you use 3.5% inflation, that number grows to 3787/year. In the last year tuition was 10,536.

Why the big disparity? I'm guessing all the layers of support staff that did not exist back then and all the student loan availability. Likely more reasons.
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   Posted: 6/21/2016 7:52:15 PM 
D.A. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
I cannot began to comprehend the vast structural changes our higher education system would need to undergo to address that.


Naive and sincere question: Does anyone here know if the cost of a college degree has exceeded the cost of inflation less the decrease in the state subsidy over the last 30 years requiring the person pursuing the degree to pick up the tab for the state subsidy?




This is one of the topics the committee I chair at FDU has discussed.

There's no question the tuition costs have outpaced inflation.
A big part of the reason seem to be more "layers" of Administration.
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   Posted: 6/21/2016 11:53:18 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
D.A. wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
I cannot began to comprehend the vast structural changes our higher education system would need to undergo to address that.


Naive and sincere question: Does anyone here know if the cost of a college degree has exceeded the cost of inflation less the decrease in the state subsidy over the last 30 years requiring the person pursuing the degree to pick up the tab for the state subsidy?




This is one of the topics the committee I chair at FDU has discussed.

There's no question the tuition costs have outpaced inflation.
A big part of the reason seem to be more "layers" of Administration.




Lawyers, greed, conspicuous consumption, unions, bureaucracy bloat, passe' citizenry, blame somebody else, do nothing to change it, better marketing and sales, more uninformed/manipulated consumers, kick the can down the road, pretend the can is not even there, if enough pony up and think they get what they need/deserve vs who cares about anyone else, we'll see how that "Euro Socialist" vs "Merica whatever it is"" thing shakes out in the long run (but I won't be around to have to worry about it anyway), we can keep this going forever, ......And we wonder why this election season is so......"Surprising?"

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   Posted: 6/22/2016 6:42:03 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.



Allan,here are just a few specific examples of family and friends:
All the examples are people doing these jobs,because they couldn't get a job directly related to their degree:

Criminal Justice: Paralegal

Music (Guitar Performance):Selling Instruments,Giving lessons on the side

Psychology : Furniture Salesman

Psychology :Payroll Clerk,ADP

Art :Selling Rosetta Stone

Business: Field Rep. for True Green (door to door sales)

Business : Realtor

Business :Day Trader (Didn't know they were still around)






Last Edited: 6/22/2016 6:48:10 AM by rpbobcat
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   Posted: 6/22/2016 9:00:50 AM 
giacomo wrote:
https://www.ohio.edu/instres/Factbook/tuitroom.html

This link takes you back to the beginning with tuition and room and board.

In 1977, my freshman year, tuition was 330/quarter, or 990/yr. If you use 3.5% inflation, that number grows to 3787/year. In the last year tuition was 10,536.

Why the big disparity? I'm guessing all the layers of support staff that did not exist back then and all the student loan availability. Likely more reasons.


That misses my second component, state share of instruction. OHIO receives less than half the state support it used to, as do the other state colleges. Factor that in and you can get to the number I would like to see. I simply don't know if it is unfair that taxpayers are asked to spend less to offset the cost of the state's student's college or not.

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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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   Posted: 6/22/2016 2:06:39 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.



Allan,here are just a few specific examples of family and friends:
All the examples are people doing these jobs,because they couldn't get a job directly related to their degree:

Criminal Justice: Paralegal

Music (Guitar Performance):Selling Instruments,Giving lessons on the side

Psychology : Furniture Salesman

Psychology :Payroll Clerk,ADP

Art :Selling Rosetta Stone

Business: Field Rep. for True Green (door to door sales)

Business : Realtor

Business :Day Trader (Didn't know they were still around)








Sports Management: I have worked in retail management, law and now finance. Having a college education, no matter what the major, can take you in a lot of different directions. In my experience, people just want to see that you are educated and can comprehend things and think critically. What is says on the piece of framed paper hanging on your wall is irrelevant.

Last Edited: 6/22/2016 2:07:35 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 6/22/2016 2:29:10 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.



Allan,here are just a few specific examples of family and friends:
All the examples are people doing these jobs,because they couldn't get a job directly related to their degree:

Criminal Justice: Paralegal

Music (Guitar Performance):Selling Instruments,Giving lessons on the side

Psychology : Furniture Salesman

Psychology :Payroll Clerk,ADP

Art :Selling Rosetta Stone

Business: Field Rep. for True Green (door to door sales)

Business : Realtor

Business :Day Trader (Didn't know they were still around)








While I appreciate the concrete examples this list doesn't really tell us anything. How old are each of these individuals? Is this their first, second or third job? Do they like what they are doing? Are they advancing in that given industry? Do they have well developed skill sets?
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   Posted: 6/22/2016 3:14:25 PM 
Allan,if you want I can go through of all of that in excruciating detail,but I don't think most of posters here are that interested.

Suffice to say,all of the people I referenced said they feel they were sold a "bill of goods" by the colleges they went to as it pertained to the "usefulness" of their degree,relative to getting a job related to their degree.
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   Posted: 6/22/2016 3:57:34 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Allan,if you want I can go through of all of that in excruciating detail,but I don't think most of posters here are that interested.

Suffice to say,all of the people I referenced said they feel they were sold a "bill of goods" by the colleges they went to as it pertained to the "usefulness" of their degree,relative to getting a job related to their degree.


That also makes the assumption that upon completion of said degree, these folks were qualified and employable in a job related to their degree. I've seen lots of folks who complete their education degree and student teach who have no business at all in that field but, and here's on of the issues, that's what they want to do. A second issue is that for the first time, many graduates are hearing a firm "no" for the first time in their lives. I would be curious on those that you referenced, how many were 2 to 3 years out of college?
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   Posted: 6/22/2016 5:36:53 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.



Allan,here are just a few specific examples of family and friends:
All the examples are people doing these jobs,because they couldn't get a job directly related to their degree:

Criminal Justice: Paralegal

Music (Guitar Performance):Selling Instruments,Giving lessons on the side

Psychology : Furniture Salesman

Psychology :Payroll Clerk,ADP

Art :Selling Rosetta Stone

Business: Field Rep. for True Green (door to door sales)

Business : Realtor

Business :Day Trader (Didn't know they were still around)








Sports Management: I have worked in retail management, law and now finance. Having a college education, no matter what the major, can take you in a lot of different directions. In my experience, people just want to see that you are educated and can comprehend things and think critically. What is says on the piece of framed paper hanging on your wall is irrelevant.



The morning after graduating OU I volunteered Army. A month after returning from Korea I was starting work at General Electric in New York. Sitting in a cubicle across the aisle from me was Don. He was a decade or so older than I and I soon learned that he had been with GE for several years. I was surprised that he was my equal on the org chart. I didn't have to ask why; Don was forthcoming. Simply put, he said, he hadn't completed his degree, and GE had told him that absent that degree his career would be stunted.

Why did GE make that decision about a man who was certifiably intelligent and skilled? Answer: It saw earning a degree as evidence of willingness to see through to the end something started. Or, in military parlance, to complete the mission.

From that learning I saw what I continue to see as the chief benefit of earning a degree - any degree: It opens doors that otherwise would remain closed.

Yes, other factors, including individual choices, affect career advancement. But first you gotta get through the door.

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   Posted: 6/23/2016 6:48:04 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Allan,if you want I can go through of all of that in excruciating detail,but I don't think most of posters here are that interested.

Suffice to say,all of the people I referenced said they feel they were sold a "bill of goods" by the colleges they went to as it pertained to the "usefulness" of their degree,relative to getting a job related to their degree.


That also makes the assumption that upon completion of said degree, these folks were qualified and employable in a job related to their degree. I've seen lots of folks who complete their education degree and student teach who have no business at all in that field but, and here's on of the issues, that's what they want to do. A second issue is that for the first time, many graduates are hearing a firm "no" for the first time in their lives. I would be curious on those that you referenced, how many were 2 to 3 years out of college?




Allen, they have all been out of college 10+ years.
The jobs I posted are what they are doing now.
They've all had a number of jobs since they graduated.None related to their degrees.In most cases,they have jobs that don't even require a degree.

That doesn't seem to be the case with people who went to college to get a degree like accounting,nursing,engineering where it was geared towards a career path.
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   Posted: 6/23/2016 7:24:40 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
That's the kind of broad generalized statement I've been accused of making RP. What exactly is a liberal arts degree? Again, my frame of reference is 73-77 at a small liberal arts college but many of the folks I have kept in touch with are doing things outside of their major and doing quite well. Communication, both written and verbal, as well creative problem solving are two skill sets that I hope all college kids learn. Too narrow a focus on a specific discipline can get in the way of that.



Allan,here are just a few specific examples of family and friends:
All the examples are people doing these jobs,because they couldn't get a job directly related to their degree:

Criminal Justice: Paralegal

Music (Guitar Performance):Selling Instruments,Giving lessons on the side

Psychology : Furniture Salesman

Psychology :Payroll Clerk,ADP

Art :Selling Rosetta Stone

Business: Field Rep. for True Green (door to door sales)

Business : Realtor

Business :Day Trader (Didn't know they were still around)








Sports Management: I have worked in retail management, law and now finance. Having a college education, no matter what the major, can take you in a lot of different directions. In my experience, people just want to see that you are educated and can comprehend things and think critically. What is says on the piece of framed paper hanging on your wall is irrelevant.



The morning after graduating OU I volunteered Army. A month after returning from Korea I was starting work at General Electric in New York. Sitting in a cubicle across the aisle from me was Don. He was a decade or so older than I and I soon learned that he had been with GE for several years. I was surprised that he was my equal on the org chart. I didn't have to ask why; Don was forthcoming. Simply put, he said, he hadn't completed his degree, and GE had told him that absent that degree his career would be stunted.

Why did GE make that decision about a man who was certifiably intelligent and skilled? Answer: It saw earning a degree as evidence of willingness to see through to the end something started. Or, in military parlance, to complete the mission.

From that learning I saw what I continue to see as the chief benefit of earning a degree - any degree: It opens doors that otherwise would remain closed.

Yes, other factors, including individual choices, affect career advancement. But first you gotta get through the door.


Well said Mike.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 6/23/2016 7:43:01 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Allan,if you want I can go through of all of that in excruciating detail,but I don't think most of posters here are that interested.

Suffice to say,all of the people I referenced said they feel they were sold a "bill of goods" by the colleges they went to as it pertained to the "usefulness" of their degree,relative to getting a job related to their degree.


That also makes the assumption that upon completion of said degree, these folks were qualified and employable in a job related to their degree. I've seen lots of folks who complete their education degree and student teach who have no business at all in that field but, and here's on of the issues, that's what they want to do. A second issue is that for the first time, many graduates are hearing a firm "no" for the first time in their lives. I would be curious on those that you referenced, how many were 2 to 3 years out of college?




Allen, they have all been out of college 10+ years.
The jobs I posted are what they are doing now.
They've all had a number of jobs since they graduated.None related to their degrees.In most cases,they have jobs that don't even require a degree.

That doesn't seem to be the case with people who went to college to get a degree like accounting,nursing,engineering where it was geared towards a career path.





Is it a case where the degree is more geared to the career path (I would throw education in there) or that the people who major in those degrees are better prepared/suited for those careers? This is a very good discussion.
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   Posted: 6/23/2016 8:53:17 AM 
Allen,my question is whether, when a student declares a major,the university has a responsibility to tell them the opportunities available to them ,directly related to that degree.

I think they do.
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   Posted: 6/23/2016 9:11:46 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Allen,my question is whether, when a student declares a major,the university has a responsibility to tell them the opportunities available to them ,directly related to that degree.

I think they do.




The Google can tell someone the opportunities and earnings potential of any career. This is not big secret. Do your homework.

I find it hard to believe someone majoring in music or a fine art or social work or etc. doesn't already know that is not the path to riches.




Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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