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Topic:  OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing

Topic:  OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/26/2016 12:36:46 PM 

Interesting: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/05/cleveland_state_may_replace_wolstein_center_with_smaller_arena_and_housing.html


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/26/2016 1:19:32 PM 
This place opened in 1991, they spent $60+ million on it, and they're ready to tear it down. Makes sense.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/26/2016 1:22:50 PM 
CSU's transition to a residential campus seems to be going pretty well to me. They've benefited from the overall resurgence in downtown Cleveland. A new arena with housing is what would be perfect for Akron, but they can't afford it. Not sure CSU will be able to pull it off.

Last Edited: 5/26/2016 1:23:33 PM by The Optimist


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/26/2016 2:12:43 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
....They've benefited from the overall resurgence in downtown Cleveland. A new arena with housing is what would be perfect for Akron, but they can't afford it. Not sure CSU will be able to pull it off.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 6:00:11 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
CSU's transition to a residential campus seems to be going pretty well to me. They've benefited from the overall resurgence in downtown Cleveland. A new arena with housing is what would be perfect for Akron, but they can't afford it. Not sure CSU will be able to pull it off.


Part of Akron's problem is they built too many dorms (and other buildings). Their enrollment continues to drop and applications are down by double-digits for fall 2016. Look for fiscal emergency later this year. The board and president seem to be clueless. The school is an urban university; a commuter school. There's nothing wrong with that. In trying to change the fundamental nature of the school, the board and past two presidents have really f'd it up.


Last Edited: 5/27/2016 6:01:35 AM by SBH

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 8:59:42 AM 
Why are applications down?
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 10:55:12 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Why are applications down?


Reputation, Jeff, that's where it all starts. Apart from UA's polymer science program, I'm hard-pressed to think of a major where it shines. Offering more remedial courses for incoming frosh didn't enhance its reputation for academic excellence. Ongoing budgetary problems likely are dissuading students - and their parents - from seriously considering UA.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 12:17:29 PM 
The current president and board signaled their intent to rename the university, which alienated many alumni and Akron residents who might have intended to send their kids there. Donations were down 37% year over year, as well, at last report.

Then they backpedaled on the name change and came up with a "rebranding" as "Ohio's Polytechnic University." There was an immediate backlash, particularly from current and prospective students interested in Arts and Sciences. The university has in fact defunded several A&S programs and cut back on full-time faculty.

Then they announced a major push to become a leading player in online education, and approached ITT Tech about a merger/acquisition. ITT is under Federal investigation for fraud. More alienation of alumni and other supporters.

They fired all of their academic advisors prior to this school year, replacing them with an outside firm that had never provided academic services. Turns out the owner of that firm is now under indictment.

They are sending very strong signals to the marketplace...and none of them good.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 2:36:11 PM 
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/27/2016 11:29:32 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Why are applications down?


Because the pool of applicants is shrinking in Ohio and there are winners and losers in terms of enrollment. Akron is getting killed by growth at Kent and CSU but it's not alone as a shrinking state school. Only a handful of state schools are growing or holding steady and Ohio is lucky to be one of them.

Wolstein was planned in a time when Cleveland had no downtown arena and was a white elephant as soon as the Cavs moved from Richfield. It sits one mile from a bigger and better venue and always will.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/28/2016 1:29:56 AM 
SBH wrote:
The current president and board signaled their intent to rename the university, which alienated many alumni and Akron residents who might have intended to send their kids there. Donations were down 37% year over year, as well, at last report.

Then they backpedaled on the name change and came up with a "rebranding" as "Ohio's Polytechnic University." There was an immediate backlash, particularly from current and prospective students interested in Arts and Sciences. The university has in fact defunded several A&S programs and cut back on full-time faculty.

Then they announced a major push to become a leading player in online education, and approached ITT Tech about a merger/acquisition. ITT is under Federal investigation for fraud. More alienation of alumni and other supporters.

They fired all of their academic advisors prior to this school year, replacing them with an outside firm that had never provided academic services. Turns out the owner of that firm is now under indictment.

They are sending very strong signals to the marketplace...and none of them good.




What a mess. If you were going to design steps, and info for the press, about how not to proceed, the above would pretty much nail it.




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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/28/2016 12:44:26 PM 
SBH wrote:

The school is an urban university; a commuter school. There's nothing wrong with that.


I disagree. In the environment we are entering, there is something wrong with that.

The landscape of higher education is shifting drastically. Online offerings are advancing from every direction. Major institutions and online-only startups are both offering coursework online in record numbers. This trend isn't going to reverse.

The loser in this environment is commuter schools. The entire selling point of commuter schools is that they offer a cheaper and more convenient alternative to what residential campuses offer. By cutting out the residential component of college life, they can offer cheaper education than a residential campus. It isn't that hard to see where online really bites into this apple... Online can undercut commuter schools big-time. Online isn't going to replace the "experience" of college that you get at a residential school, but it'll absolutely replace the low-cost commuting alternative. And now, you don't even have to commute 15 minutes to Akron, you can do it in your own living room.

I don't think Akron's leadership has handled this transition well, but I also don't think they had the choice of remaining a commuter school. Commuter schools hit an iceberg. Not enough lifeboats. Yikes.


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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Cleveland State University may demolish Wolstein Center for smaller arena, housing
   Posted: 5/28/2016 6:50:40 PM 
Time to revisit the Kent State-Akron merger? Akron becomes the downtown campus of KSU . . .


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