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You want top tier games on the schedule but can't negotiate for them to come to Athens so you select a few road games for revenue. A coach also wants to have as many winnable games scheduled to help his record. The yearly dialog around an at large bid for the MAC will be dependent on the entire conference becoming stronger and moving up the the overall conference rankings. GO BOBCATS Back to Top Flomo-genized General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 9:32:41 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea. If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK. While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO). If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field. Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes. The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat. We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change. That would be a great idea except for the fact that it would be illegal under federal antitrust law. All involved would end up in jail for illegal price fixing. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 9:45:53 AM  Flomo-genized wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea. If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK. While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO). If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field. Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes. The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat. We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change. That would be a great idea except for the fact that it would be illegal under federal antitrust law. All involved would end up in jail for illegal price fixing. Refusing to play a road game in football constitutes price-fixing? LOL I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,692 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 10:26:07 AM  I'm just happy this topic brought back both Bobcat Love and Flomo. If Slimmy weighs in too, I'll just lose my mind. Like all efforts of cooperation (or better stated - Collusion), it works great until a few break the unwritten and not even remotely enforceable agreement. That, along with the other reasons BL laid out as to why it would never happen with these ADs viewing us as a stepping stone. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,041 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 10:38:20 AM  Hello Love and Flomo. Back to Top Flomo-genized General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 1:00:38 PM  The Optimist wrote: Flomo-genized wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea. If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK. While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO). If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field. Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes. The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat. We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change. That would be a great idea except for the fact that it would be illegal under federal antitrust law. All involved would end up in jail for illegal price fixing. Refusing to play a road game in football constitutes price-fixing? LOL Sure it does. If a sizeable group of schools (all of which currently compete with one another in the football-game-scheduling market) team up and say that they'll only play a road game if the power five school agrees to a return game, that's no different than the same set of schools agreeing to only play road games against the power five for a set amount of money. In either case, the competitors are colluding to demand a certain benefit (return game, higher pay) that they couldn't obtain individually in the open market. Now if the non-power-five teams simply agree to refuse to play the power five at all, then that wouldn't be price fixing. It would be a group boycott, though, which in most cases is equally unlawful. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 3:04:39 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: I'm just happy this topic brought back both Bobcat Love and Flomo. If Slimmy weighs in too, I'll just lose my mind. \ I'm with you 'Drew.... never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,109 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 10:08:27 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: 100%Cat wrote: OUVan wrote: 100%Cat wrote: It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here. I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments. Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around? I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea. If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK. While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO). If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field. Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes. The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat. We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change. He's back. BLove is back. Welcome back BLove. Hope you stick around for the 2016-2017. The board needs ya. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/8/2016 10:19:09 PM  Flomo-genized wrote: The Optimist wrote: Flomo-genized wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea. If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK. While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO). If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field. Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes. The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat. We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change. That would be a great idea except for the fact that it would be illegal under federal antitrust law. All involved would end up in jail for illegal price fixing. Refusing to play a road game in football constitutes price-fixing? LOL Sure it does. If a sizeable group of schools (all of which currently compete with one another in the football-game-scheduling market) team up and say that they'll only play a road game if the power five school agrees to a return game, that's no different than the same set of schools agreeing to only play road games against the power five for a set amount of money. In either case, the competitors are colluding to demand a certain benefit (return game, higher pay) that they couldn't obtain individually in the open market. Now if the non-power-five teams simply agree to refuse to play the power five at all, then that wouldn't be price fixing. It would be a group boycott, though, which in most cases is equally unlawful. Making this happen would be on a scale of getting all truckers to take a stand on long haul prices, there are too many and they are looking out for themselves, the G5 will never stand together Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/9/2016 10:27:27 AM  Isn't it something of a pushme/pullyou in that, as we rise under Saul, we become a more attractive opponent to schedule while becoming an opponent that 'big' schools don't want to schedule because we might beat them? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 6/9/2016 10:53:51 AM  Flomo-genized wrote: The Optimist wrote: Flomo-genized wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat Love] That would be a great idea except for the fact that it would be illegal under federal antitrust law. All involved would end up in jail for illegal price fixing. Refusing to play a road game in football constitutes price-fixing? LOL Sure it does. If a sizeable group of schools (all of which currently compete with one another in the football-game-scheduling market) team up and say that they'll only play a road game if the power five school agrees to a return game, that's no different than the same set of schools agreeing to only play road games against the power five for a set amount of money. In either case, the competitors are colluding to demand a certain benefit (return game, higher pay) that they couldn't obtain individually in the open market. Now if the non-power-five teams simply agree to refuse to play the power five at all, then that wouldn't be price fixing. It would be a group boycott, though, which in most cases is equally unlawful. I would love to see how it would play out in court because it would be the P5 that would likely need to file the suit. Imagine how that would play out -- the multi-billion dollar P5 suing the lowly G5 for trying to share the wealth/competition. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,394 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/13/2016 2:17:50 PM  Ohio at Georgia Tech scheduled for November 18th. Ohio at Marshall November 30th. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,394 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/13/2016 4:18:53 PM  OU_Country wrote: shabamon wrote: I'm hearing we're starting a series with Iona starting on the road. If so, this is a good one for one.   NYCBuckets.com showing Iona with a home against Ohio: http://www.nycbuckets.com/non-conference-schedule-tracker/ Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/18/2016 3:32:43 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: OU_Country wrote: shabamon wrote: I'm hearing we're starting a series with Iona starting on the road. If so, this is a good one for one. NYCBuckets.com showing Iona with a home against Ohio: http://www.nycbuckets.com/non-conference-schedule-tracker / Good road test right before conference season starts! Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,109 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 12:42:56 AM  Ted Thompson wrote: Ohio at Georgia Tech scheduled for November 18th. Ohio at Marshall November 30th. I'm calling it right now. Ohio beats Georgia Tech. Couldn't ask for a better date. A fall Friday night in Georgia during High School football season? There will be nobody at this basketball game. Crowd will be zero factor. I look forward to watching Josh Pastner lose this one....we owe him big time. #RememberMemphisDebacle Edit: I will also go on record and say OHIO wins this game by double-digits. Last Edited: 7/19/2016 11:52:11 PM by FearLeon #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 2:13:25 AM  FearLeon wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: Ohio at Georgia Tech scheduled for November 18th. Ohio at Marshall November 30th. I'm calling it right now. Ohio beats Georgia Tech. Couldn't ask for a better date. A fall Friday night in Georgia during High School football season? There will be nobody at this basketball game. Crowd will be zero factor. I look forward to watching Josh Pastner lose this one....we owe him big time. #RememberMemphisDebacle I LIKE THIS! Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Taiwan BC General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Kaohsiung Post Count: 470 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 8:01:09 AM  I would think we will be favored at Iona... They lost 3 starters including their star player, A.J. English. Heck, I don't think we will be underdogs in any of our out of conference games as it sits. Can't wait to see what big (Payout?) games are being worked on right now... GO BOBCATS! Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 11:11:19 AM  I wouldn't favor us in terms of betting in the Iona game. Home court means a lot in college basketball as we all know. Now, I really like OUr chances to win, and I'd love to see this kind of game more often. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 1:32:19 PM  Any indication which (if any) of these games would include return trip? Those are all teams I'd love to see in the Convo. You would think we could fetch a pretty solid $ figure these days as a straight buy game in men's hoops. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/19/2016 3:12:03 PM  The Optimist wrote: Any indication which (if any) of these games would include return trip? Those are all teams I'd love to see in the Convo. You would think we could fetch a pretty solid $ figure these days as a straight buy game in men's hoops. Someone indicated the Iona game has a future return trip. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,041 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/20/2016 10:08:23 AM  Guys, I'd recommend being careful of unrealistic expectations, which sets a fan base up for disappointment. Reminds me of the off season after the Sweet 16 run, with some folks expecting a repeat then bashing the coaches and team when it didn't happen. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/20/2016 10:32:53 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Guys, I'd recommend being careful of unrealistic expectations, which sets a fan base up for disappointment. Reminds me of the off season after the Sweet 16 run, with some folks expecting a repeat then bashing the coaches and team when it didn't happen. you're right Jeff. We're one loss to Marietta or Walsh away from tar and feathers. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/20/2016 12:53:15 PM  bornacatfan wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: Guys, I'd recommend being careful of unrealistic expectations, which sets a fan base up for disappointment. Reminds me of the off season after the Sweet 16 run, with some folks expecting a repeat then bashing the coaches and team when it didn't happen. you're right Jeff. We're one loss to Marietta or Walsh away from tar and feathers. Tar and feathers will be too good for him after he gets whipped by Rio Grande. Woe is us! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/20/2016 1:35:25 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Guys, I'd recommend being careful of unrealistic expectations, which sets a fan base up for disappointment. Reminds me of the off season after the Sweet 16 run, with some folks expecting a repeat then bashing the coaches and team when it didn't happen. I don't agree with this line of thinking at all. High expectations are not parallel with disrespecting players or coaches. I'm a firm believer that positive energy surrounding a program helps feed said program to greater heights. Finally, I think it's fairly safe to assume my definition of "unrealistic expectations" differs from others on this board. I wasn't any less happy when we made the Sweet 16 in 2012 because the team only "met" my expectations from the prediction thread on this board that year. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Taiwan BC General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Kaohsiung Post Count: 470 Status: Offline     RE: Next year's OOC Schedule    Posted: 7/21/2016 9:16:43 AM  Is Jeff trying to rain on my parade? I wonder if Fake Jeff McKinney will write up one of his famous weather reports to clear the matter up. In all seriousness, I would admit to having high expectations. Unreasonable? Well, in saying that I thought we would be favored in all of our known out of conference games, I could see how that might look at first blush as too lofty a prognostication. However, being favored in Vegas versus winning all those games is quite a different thing. Lots of variability in each team, on each night, on each group of refs, the list goes on and on... Of course we will have a head scratching loss or three this year. But I expect this team, barring some unforeseen problem, to be battling for the MAC title this year. If that means I am drinking the green Kool-aid, so be it! GO BOBCATS! 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