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Andrew Ruck
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   Posted: 6/6/2016 12:52:43 AM 
I can't believe this administration has failed to bring in Duke, Kentucky, AND Kansas this season. I'm so fed up with this schedule.


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   Posted: 6/6/2016 8:27:31 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I can't believe this administration has failed to bring in Duke, Kentucky, AND Kansas this season. I'm so fed up with this schedule.


Sadly I don't think everyone will get this.

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   Posted: 6/6/2016 9:57:01 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


Not a real exciting home schedule. My guess is that 90% of our fans couldn't tell you in what town 4 of those schools are located or what conference they play in. It's been 17 years since the MAC got an at large bid - with 12 teams in the league that's 187 chances. I think the MAC's 15 home game "rule" hurts the conference's national reputation.



DO you have a solution to attracting more "name"or "exciting" opponents to come to the Convo to play?

Same comments, different year.

Why do you think the MAC's rule hurts the national rep? Would we have a better rep if more teams went into the P5 houses as a sacrificial lamb? What was the reasoning behind the 15 game rule? I have a hard time criticizing it without knowing why they did it. I can't just make a brash declaration without understanding how it got that way. Just me though...many of my peers do not have a problem with commenting.



One questions I would ask is what conferences are our peers - either slightly better than us, the same or slightly worse. Looking at last years RPI, the three above us would be the Atlantic 10, American Athletic and Colonial Athletic. The three below us would be the Summit, Mountain West, and Missouri Valley. Probably not going to get home and home with many AAC schools and the Summit and Mountain West are just too far to travel. Not knowing how the other three conferences "view" the MAC, I would still hope we could get a 3 to 5 annual games out of that group.

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   Posted: 6/6/2016 9:58:47 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Fuss has always been pretty good at following trends and finding teams on the rise that we can schedule. I think JS is fine tuning the approach to scheduling based on his time "in the room". Can't really be there without being affected in your thought.

We caught some good teams when TOS was here and those wins live on. Hopefully this bunch will realize opportunities only come along periodically and they need to take advantage. Tony's maturity and hunger could go a long way with Dartis and Block's youth to set up some sustainable success. Clearly a different program than when we started the treks from Muncie in June 07 IMHO. Still need to stay hungry and aspire to a bigger potential. This year has potential to be a springboard.

Article has a pretty good take on direction and how the AD/Coach think

Those thinking we should be getting a P5 school, or a school like Dayton to play in The Convo should take note.


Did Purdue buy us out?


That's a good question. They're on the football schedule as an away game a couple years from now. Nothing on the home schedules that are currently completely full. Obviously, we could see them added replacing an FCS school. As for hoops, it would be nice to see them in Athens, but I'll believe it when I see it in print on Ohiobobcats.com


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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/6/2016 1:47:50 PM 
Did the Purdue story say it was a 2016 home game for basketball? I thought it just said home game and did not specify the season.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/6/2016 2:31:37 PM 
I like the Georgia Tech game on the road. Now get two or three more like that on the road. Every year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/6/2016 3:17:18 PM 
giacomo wrote:
I like the Georgia Tech game on the road. Now get two or three more like that on the road. Every year.


And then win them all, lose in the MAC tournament final and get snubbed anyway. Because that worked SO well for Monmouth this year.

In all seriousness, I agree. But it doesn't guarantee an NCAA bid.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/6/2016 7:20:50 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Did the Purdue story say it was a 2016 home game for basketball? I thought it just said home game and did not specify the season.


I don't think so. For some reason 2018 sticks in my head as being the year they were supposed to come here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/7/2016 2:34:22 AM 
giacomo wrote:
I like the Georgia Tech game on the road. Now get two or three more like that on the road. Every year.


How about two or three of those at home? Home-and-homes I can deal with or even 2-for-1's fine. But playing all your tough games on the road is hideous scheduling and sets you up for failure. Charlie Coles played your kind of schedule every year and it got him one at-large bid but not because he played your kind of schedule. He just happened to get Tennessee and Dayton to come to Millett that year. Play those two games on the road like you'd like and they aren't getting those two wins and they aren't getting an at-large. Our record over the last 30 years against P5 schools on the road is beyond abysmal. The MAC's record in road games against P5 schools is beyond abysmal. The one win every ten years is not worth it.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 7:43:35 AM 
OUVan wrote:
giacomo wrote:
I like the Georgia Tech game on the road. Now get two or three more like that on the road. Every year.


How about two or three of those at home? Home-and-homes I can deal with or even 2-for-1's fine. But playing all your tough games on the road is hideous scheduling and sets you up for failure. Charlie Coles played your kind of schedule every year and it got him one at-large bid but not because he played your kind of schedule. He just happened to get Tennessee and Dayton to come to Millett that year. Play those two games on the road like you'd like and they aren't getting those two wins and they aren't getting an at-large. Our record over the last 30 years against P5 schools on the road is beyond abysmal. The MAC's record in road games against P5 schools is beyond abysmal. The one win every ten years is not worth it.


It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Next year's OOC Schedule
   Posted: 6/7/2016 11:10:34 AM 
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 11:12:17 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:


Not a real exciting home schedule. My guess is that 90% of our fans couldn't tell you in what town 4 of those schools are located or what conference they play in. It's been 17 years since the MAC got an at large bid - with 12 teams in the league that's 187 chances. I think the MAC's 15 home game "rule" hurts the conference's national reputation.



DO you have a solution to attracting more "name"or "exciting" opponents to come to the Convo to play?

Same comments, different year.

Why do you think the MAC's rule hurts the national rep? Would we have a better rep if more teams went into the P5 houses as a sacrificial lamb? What was the reasoning behind the 15 game rule? I have a hard time criticizing it without knowing why they did it. I can't just make a brash declaration without understanding how it got that way. Just me though...many of my peers do not have a problem with commenting.



One questions I would ask is what conferences are our peers - either slightly better than us, the same or slightly worse. Looking at last years RPI, the three above us would be the Atlantic 10, American Athletic and Colonial Athletic. The three below us would be the Summit, Mountain West, and Missouri Valley. Probably not going to get home and home with many AAC schools and the Summit and Mountain West are just too far to travel. Not knowing how the other three conferences "view" the MAC, I would still hope we could get a 3 to 5 annual games out of that group.



In an ideal world, we would get home and home with MVC, A10, and Colonial, along with the top half of Horizon, OVC and MAAC. Maybe even the Ivy league makes sense? Bottom line, and we talk about it all the time, more games against these conferences, and fewer games against the MEAC, SWAC, A-Sun, etc would be preferred.

As a fan, I'm interested in games against regional opponents that make sense. Examples: Wright State, Morehead State, Indiana State. I agree on the idea that getting a game or two against P5 type schools is good, but too many games on the road is a bad idea. There needs to be a balance.

It would be nice to get 1 or 2 games a year like we've seen in years past against Temple, Valpo, UMass, Richmond, Northern Iowa, St. Bonnie are good home games to watch, and good for the program.

For a long time, I've felt that an annual series with Wright State would make a lot of sense. I know it's not glamorous, but they're a solid program, and it's a venue that a lot of Ohio Alumni can travel to when it's a road game. The same might apply to NKU, who is a definite up and comer in a solid conference.



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   Posted: 6/7/2016 11:50:08 AM 
We've never gotten an at-large bid, so what is there to lose? If you must win the MAC tourney to get a bid, and you do, why not play the best competition to get prepared? How about this if I'm a potential recruit: we play at Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh and Minnesota. Or this: we play home vs Tennessee Tech, Sam Houston State and Bryant. Which one gets you excited? And guess what? You might actually win one or more of those games. But you won't if you don't play them. I'm silly enough to think that players want to play against the best competition. Who cares what happened to Monmouth? I don't care if we ever get at at-large bid. I want to play the best that we can and let the chips fall where they may.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 11:55:35 AM 
giacomo wrote:
We've never gotten an at-large bid, so what is there to lose? If you must win the MAC tourney to get a bid, and you do, why not play the best competition to get prepared? How about this if I'm a potential recruit: we play at Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh and Minnesota. Or this: we play home vs Tennessee Tech, Sam Houston State and Bryant. Which one gets you excited? And guess what? You might actually win one or more of those games. But you won't if you don't play them. I'm silly enough to think that players want to play against the best competition. Who cares what happened to Monmouth? I don't care if we ever get at at-large bid. I want to play the best that we can and let the chips fall where they may.


Amen! Look at Yale's schedule last year: SMU, Duke, Illinois and USC - lost by 2, 19, 4 and 12. Would prefer wins but would take that non-conference schedule any day of the week.

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   Posted: 6/7/2016 12:15:34 PM 
OUVan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.


Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 1:35:45 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.


Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?


I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea.

If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK.

While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO).

If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field.

Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes.

The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat.

We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change.

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   Posted: 6/7/2016 2:34:51 PM 
Love, that certainly is one way to do it. However, every school must be on board to accomplish the goal. Highly unlikely and very time consuming. The easiest thing is to deal with it and schedule a few on the road. We can control that.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 2:42:15 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.


Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?


I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea.

If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK.

While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO).

If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field.

Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes.

The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat.

We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change.



I'm 100% in agreement on this.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 3:27:10 PM 
giacomo wrote:
Love, that certainly is one way to do it. However, every school must be on board to accomplish the goal. Highly unlikely and very time consuming. The easiest thing is to deal with it and schedule a few on the road. We can control that.


Ever heard of GoToMeeting by Citrix?

The Power 5 certainly have cohesion on issues when it comes to excluding the Group of 5 or tossing us scraps.

I could have every "Group of 5" President and Athletic Director in a secure online meeting and conference call by Noon Friday of this week.

But then I wouldn't get my coveted job at Ohio State when I'm ready to move on.

Sad. Easy to throw out objections and be lazy instead of attack the root cause.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 4:20:11 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.


Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?


I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea.

If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK.

While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO).

If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field.

Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes.

The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat.

We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change.



This is even more telling in football than basketball. I've wondered why the B1G went to a 9-game schedule, but then I realized it's so they can keep as much money "in-house" as possible. Why have Ohio State play another G5 pee-on like Kent State or CMU when they can keep the money in conference by playing Minnesota or Rutgers?

But if the G5 walks away as you say, they'll have to schedule even more of those and then they'll get mad and come crawling back.

The only way I can see that backfiring is if the P5 expands conferences to say 16 teams a piece. "You don't want to schedule us because we won't come to your place for a 1-1? Who cares we don't need ya! We'll just invite a few more teams to fill the schedule."

Those 80 schools could probably get away with only scheduling each other and not worrying about everyone else. In that case the G5 would be stuck playing their own national championship eventually in football. Basketball would be a little bit trickier with the amount of games you play and the amount of teams in Division I.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 5:44:09 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
100%Cat wrote:

It takes two to tango, so I have been told. Wanting them to come here is only half of the process of getting them to come here.


I'm fully aware of that but that doesn't mean you just give in and play on their terms and their terms only. That's the definition of a self-defeating cycle. If they won't come here then play them on neutral courts in tournaments.


Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?


I've been telling people the solution for years, yet nobody has the balls to implement the idea.

If you want a seat at the table, you to have to be ready to walk away from the table. It's the same in football as it is in basketball. The solution is that you do NOT play the games. Your best bargaining chip is always the ability to WALK.

While the Power 5 band together to change the landscape of college athletics, the Group of 5 sits idle. It's pathetic and reeks of lack of fiduciary responsibility (IMO).

If the Group of 5 stuck to their guns and said "we won't continue this cycle of only playing buy-games on the road" - the cycle would end and you would see more scheduling equality and a level playing field.

Think about it. If you had the Group of 5 teams completely cease scheduling P5 teams - you would have an entire new class of P5 "have nots" (Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado, Maryland). These new P5 "have nots" could only be supplemented on schedules by FCS schools and the SWAC/MEAC garbage we are forced to play today. Without MAC, AAC, CUSA, etc - the P5 would be forced to schedule more away games with a higher probability of losses, lost home game revenue, etc. Oregon State (or fill in your bottom feeder Big 12/Pac-10/SEC/Big-10/ACC team) is only going to play so many buy games before their fans get restless like we are today. They will demand home and homes.

The elephant in the room is that every Athletic Director and their staff wants to move onto a Power 5 school, so there's absolutely no reason to rock the boat. Ossakow (Maryland), Broders (Oregon), Frazier (Va Tech), etc etc the list goes on and on. Schaus and White are no different. While I love what Schaus has done, he wants bigger and better just like anyone else - so why rock the boat.

We can subsist playing a schedule made up of Texas State, Utah State, Idaho, etc for as many years as we need to. We've come this far doing it - so why not band together and change the status quo. The truth of the matter is that the P5 needs us more then we need them. It's up to our leaders to figure it out and do something about it. Until we demand it from them - nothing will change.



This is even more telling in football than basketball. I've wondered why the B1G went to a 9-game schedule, but then I realized it's so they can keep as much money "in-house" as possible. Why have Ohio State play another G5 pee-on like Kent State or CMU when they can keep the money in conference by playing Minnesota or Rutgers?

But if the G5 walks away as you say, they'll have to schedule even more of those and then they'll get mad and come crawling back.

The only way I can see that backfiring is if the P5 expands conferences to say 16 teams a piece. "You don't want to schedule us because we won't come to your place for a 1-1? Who cares we don't need ya! We'll just invite a few more teams to fill the schedule."

Those 80 schools could probably get away with only scheduling each other and not worrying about everyone else. In that case the G5 would be stuck playing their own national championship eventually in football. Basketball would be a little bit trickier with the amount of games you play and the amount of teams in Division I.


I think the real elephant in the room is that to make this work, you have to have all the have nots go along with the plan. When you can make more in 1 or 2 pay games that you can make in 5-6 home games, everything breaks down, I'm afraid that if the G5 tries to force the issue, the FCS teams are very willing to step in and take our place. It would be tough in football to boycott the big boys and totally impossible in BB with all the non-power teams in that pond.

If we play hardball, I'm
also guessing that the big boys would put the squeeze on in regards to G5 payouts from the TV deal.

I think that with the importance being placed on strength of schedule, the big boys are going to be playing less G5 teams in the long run.

One good thing to come out of this may be an increase in pay game payouts, but I'm not even sure of that.
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   Posted: 6/7/2016 6:58:04 PM 
You can come up with all kinds of strategies and scenarios, but in the end they have all the power and money. The simple thing to do is schedule a few P5 games on the road and do the best you can with non-conference home schedules and doable 1 and 1s.
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   Posted: 6/8/2016 6:50:51 AM 
I'm hearing we're starting a series with Iona starting on the road.
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   Posted: 6/8/2016 7:48:45 AM 
100%Cat wrote:

Exactly what leverage do mid majors have to break this cycle? That's not a jack*** question, I'm serious. You want the cycle broken, what leverage do schools like us have to turn that around?


expand the tourney to 128 like Bobby Knight proposed so many years back....Non P5 conferences say we want expansion or we want home and home with P5 conference schools being required to play a sertain percentage of non con on the road ....not nuetral like when OHIO v Kansas in the Sprint Center in Kansas City resulted in Ohio having 200 tix in the nosebleeds behind the American Flag....true road games. Till those other conferences figure out a way to get P5 on the road given the disparity of officials to favor the home team % wise then they will have no reason to come out of Cameron or Value City.....

It's a good and pertinent question.


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   Posted: 6/8/2016 8:57:08 AM 
shabamon wrote:
I'm hearing we're starting a series with Iona starting on the road.


If so, this is a good one for one.


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