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OU_Country
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 9:30:54 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Totally agree with you here. You have to finish top 2-3 regular season every year, and it seemed like with those teams from a few years back that the program was...


Number of regular season finishes in the top 3 by team, past 10 seasons-
6 Akron
6 Kent State
4 Buffalo
4 WMU
2 CMU
2 Toledo
2 OHIO
1 Ball St
1 BGSU
1 Miami
1 NIU
0 EMU


Number of NCAA Tournament wins, last 10 seasons-
3 OHIO
0 everybody else


Whats done more to build a fanbase and a program, Akron's 6 top 3 regular season finishes, or Ohio's 3 NCAA wins?





Nice analysis and excellent question. I don't have an opinion, or even an answer. I wish OUr team had 2-3 more of those top 3 finishes, but I also like the tournament wins. What's really bad are the other years where the MAC Champ can't win or was embarrassed.

I always liked the Groce goals from 2011-12 season that started with graduating, but then went to Win the MAC, go to the tournament, and then ADVANCE when you get there.


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   Posted: 2/12/2016 9:53:25 AM 
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players, or is this going to be one of those Coach Hunter teams with peaking talent that just couldn't quite get over the hump into the Big Dance? There is an extremely fine line between success and failure at that particular juncture. We will know the answer to that $64,000 question in about a month.

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   Posted: 2/12/2016 10:45:26 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players, or is this going to be one of those Coach Hunter teams with peaking talent that just couldn't quite get over the hump into the Big Dance? There is an extremely fine line between success and failure at that particular juncture. We will know the answer to that $64,000 question in about a month.


I think this team is more like 2011 than 2012. That team had talent but was very young, DeVaughn and Tommy were the only upperclassmen playing significant minutes. Bobcats finished the regular season 17-14(9-7) but at one point were 12-13(5-6) before winning 5 of their last 6 regular season games, starting with a road win at Buffalo in mid February. That was also the season they lost a 4OT game at St Bonnie and lost a 3OT game at home to Fiami. In spite of finishing the regular season strong the Bobcats lost in the 2nd round to Ball St in OT and went to the CIT where they finished 1-1.

Hopeful for success this year, expectant of success next year.

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   Posted: 2/12/2016 11:14:22 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players, or is this going to be one of those Coach Hunter teams with peaking talent that just couldn't quite get over the hump into the Big Dance? There is an extremely fine line between success and failure at that particular juncture. We will know the answer to that $64,000 question in about a month.


I think this team is more like 2011 than 2012. That team had talent but was very young, DeVaughn and Tommy were the only upperclassmen playing significant minutes. Bobcats finished the regular season 17-14(9-7) but at one point were 12-13(5-6) before winning 5 of their last 6 regular season games, starting with a road win at Buffalo in mid February. That was also the season they lost a 4OT game at St Bonnie and lost a 3OT game at home to Fiami. In spite of finishing the regular season strong the Bobcats lost in the 2nd round to Ball St in OT and went to the CIT where they finished 1-1.

Hopeful for success this year, expectant of success next year.


I honestly think this feels like 2005 all over again. The 03-04 season was awful, like 14-15. And then out of nowhere, a group of young guys who haven't really played all that much together got on a run in late January, February and March and made noise the following year.

Mychal Green was the JUCO transfer who could shoot ala Kenny. Jordy, Gavin and DT making impacts as freshmen like Fears and Williams. Campbell and Setty providing the leadership like Harbut and Halbert. Mike Laster providing key minutes like Whitney Davis. And Jaaron the x-factor reminds me of Sonny Troutman even though Sonny wasn't the PG. Sonny used to make plays when Ohio needed them and Jaaron is taking that role.

A lot of parallels to a few Bobcat teams of the past.

Last Edited: 2/12/2016 11:15:13 AM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 11:14:29 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
Whats done more to build a fanbase and a program, Akron's 6 top 3 regular season finishes, or Ohio's 3 NCAA wins?




It's kind of pick your poison. Keeping your coach keeps your program at or near the top of the conference consistently but winning NCAA games loses you your coach and makes for a yo-yo effect on your record. Personally I think I'd rather have the NCAA victories.
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 11:25:15 AM 
OUVan wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
Whats done more to build a fanbase and a program, Akron's 6 top 3 regular season finishes, or Ohio's 3 NCAA wins?




It's kind of pick your poison. Keeping your coach keeps your program at or near the top of the conference consistently but winning NCAA games loses you your coach and makes for a yo-yo effect on your record. Personally I think I'd rather have the NCAA victories.



Ditto. The NCAA wins are a lot more memorable than finishing in the top 3 for sure.
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 11:50:21 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players, or is this going to be one of those Coach Hunter teams with peaking talent that just couldn't quite get over the hump into the Big Dance? There is an extremely fine line between success and failure at that particular juncture. We will know the answer to that $64,000 question in about a month.


I think this team is more like 2011 than 2012. That team had talent but was very young, DeVaughn and Tommy were the only upperclassmen playing significant minutes. Bobcats finished the regular season 17-14(9-7) but at one point were 12-13(5-6) before winning 5 of their last 6 regular season games, starting with a road win at Buffalo in mid February. That was also the season they lost a 4OT game at St Bonnie and lost a 3OT game at home to Fiami. In spite of finishing the regular season strong the Bobcats lost in the 2nd round to Ball St in OT and went to the CIT where they finished 1-1.

Hopeful for success this year, expectant of success next year.


Yes a disappointing exit in Tourney but I REALLY enjoyed the easy trip down to Turdville with my old man for a VERY satisfying one point win over Marshall surrounded by fans who were convinced they were superior. And a pretty good burger afterwards nearby (at Fat Patty's I think).
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 2:50:48 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players,


I think you are thinking about 2010. In 2012 we weren't really peaking at the end, we were just good. In 2010 we were 14-13 and proceeded to win 8 of the next 9. We've improved a lot on defense over the last month but we need to keep getting even better to make any kind of run. But watching this team improve little by little has me excited for the future.
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 4:38:53 PM 
OUVan, I think we were peaking in 2012, not sure of the exact sequence, However, as I recall we won 4 out our last 5, or 5 out of our last 6 in the regular season and three straight tournament wins culminating in that nail biter over Akron in the championship game. Also, we didn't had more than one starting senior on that team, if that. Everyone was thinking the sky is the limit for the next year, but the team chemistry following Coach Groce's exit to Illinois just wasn't the same. Thus is quite common in basketball when the slightest of changes in line ups etc. can have a major impact.

As I mentioned in my initial post, there is an extremely fine line with teams that peak at the right time a la the 2012 team under Coach Groce and some of those Coach Hunter teams that had the talent, but just couldn't quite seal the deal when it came to MAC tournament play.
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   Posted: 2/12/2016 9:15:08 PM 
This team is quickly becoming THE TEAM you don't want to face in March. #GrowingUp #Confidence

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   Posted: 2/13/2016 11:14:49 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
With regard to March MAC tournament runs; is this going to be a Coach Groce like team of 2012 making a serious run with peaking players, or is this going to be one of those Coach Hunter teams with peaking talent that just couldn't quite get over the hump into the Big Dance? There is an extremely fine line between success and failure at that particular juncture. We will know the answer to that $64,000 question in about a month.


I think this team is more like 2011 than 2012. That team had talent but was very young, DeVaughn and Tommy were the only upperclassmen playing significant minutes. Bobcats finished the regular season 17-14(9-7) but at one point were 12-13(5-6) before winning 5 of their last 6 regular season games, starting with a road win at Buffalo in mid February. That was also the season they lost a 4OT game at St Bonnie and lost a 3OT game at home to Fiami. In spite of finishing the regular season strong the Bobcats lost in the 2nd round to Ball St in OT and went to the CIT where they finished 1-1.


From where the team is at this moment, this reminds me of 2010 where a couple of transfers led the program in the coaches 2nd year to advance to the NCAAs and shoot the lights out against Georgetown. The scenario could be reversed where Ohio has the shoot out game against Akron in the MAC Final for an upset trip to the dance.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

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   Posted: 2/13/2016 11:56:27 AM 
OUVan wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
Whats done more to build a fanbase and a program, Akron's 6 top 3 regular season finishes, or Ohio's 3 NCAA wins?

It's kind of pick your poison. Keeping your coach keeps your program at or near the top of the conference consistently but winning NCAA games loses you your coach and makes for a yo-yo effect on your record. Personally I think I'd rather have the NCAA victories.


That's been the story between the Akron and Ohio programs. The issue with Akron's program I believe is a low ceiling. Dambrot should have them landing national recruits by now. Ohio was about to turn the corner with Caris LeVert but Groce's departure blunted momentum. Other MAC programs with high ceilings that should be doing better are NIU, Ball St, EMU and Miami.

Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

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