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   Posted: 2/9/2016 8:54:42 PM 
This team is quickly becoming THE TEAM you don't want to face in March. #GrowingUp #Confidence

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 2/9/2016 8:58:18 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
This team is quickly becoming THE TEAM you don't want to face in March. #GrowingUp #Confidence


Yep

20+ wins


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   Posted: 2/9/2016 9:13:37 PM 
I dunno about that. I'd rather face us than Akron...
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   Posted: 2/9/2016 9:20:11 PM 
brucecuth wrote:
I dunno about that. I'd rather face us than Akron...


My point being is I don't think any team is going to want to play OHIO until MAC Final. Long way to go but the pieces are coming together.

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   Posted: 2/9/2016 9:40:15 PM 
Ohio is wildly inconsistent. Even with the win at Ball State it's still only 6-5 within the MAC.

This isn't a criticism of the team. They're developing and improving and that's all one can ask for. They are very young and inexperienced though and young, inexperienced teams are inconsistent. It's to be expected.

Ohio's very hard to predict. I can see Ohio making it to the MAC Final. I can also see Ohio losing in the 1st Round.
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   Posted: 2/9/2016 10:03:42 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
brucecuth wrote:
I dunno about that. I'd rather face us than Akron...


My point being is I don't think any team is going to want to play OHIO until MAC Final. Long way to go but the pieces are coming together.




Other than Zippy, everyone else is really close. Few teams have OUr combination of a good PG, good big, and guys that can shoot it. Keep playing improved defense and who knows what happens.


DEFINTELY coming together:

https://youtu.be/qDaGc0Dysh8


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   Posted: 2/9/2016 10:05:28 PM 
So we're NOT firing Saul?
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   Posted: 2/9/2016 10:55:54 PM 
was thinking of which recent Bobcats our current Bobcats are most similar to, here's what I've come up with-


Simmons -- Cooper. PG that can stuff stat sheets and likes to lead. Has 100% commitment from HC.

Dartis -- Kellogg. Is smart, plays smart. Even tempered, plays calm and confident. Known as 3pt shooter but can develop all around game with time.

Kaminski -- Baltic. Stretch 4, prefers playing away from the rim. At times looks dominant, other times seems to fade into the background. Frustrating.

Campbell -- Keely. Big bruiser down low, works a strong 2 man game with PG. Clutch down the stretch.

Block -- Freeman. Great stroke, high IQ, does all the little things that show effort and guts.

Setty -- TJ Hall. Treg is like a snowflake but his game most reminds of TJ, sometimes he struggles, but sometimes he comes up big when his team needs it. Every team needs a Setty/Hall type player.

D. Taylor -- young Keely. You can see the potential, sculpt the physique, put in the work and good things could come.

Laster -- R Johnson. Can come off bench and provide solid minutes, Johnson built his value on defense, Laster would be wise to do same.

Gollon -- Taylor. Energy guard off bench, good in short spurts.


Using this kind of comparison I would say that what the current team is lacking most of all is an Offutt and a J Smith. Ideally Harley and Wadley would fill those roles but unfortunately they don't match up.

For this team to make a run next year they're going to need to find an Offutt and a J Smith.

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 12:45:24 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
was thinking of which recent Bobcats our current Bobcats are most similar to, here's what I've come up with-


Simmons -- Cooper. PG that can stuff stat sheets and likes to lead. Has 100% commitment from HC.

Dartis -- Kellogg. Is smart, plays smart. Even tempered, plays calm and confident. Known as 3pt shooter but can develop all around game with time.

Kaminski -- Baltic. Stretch 4, prefers playing away from the rim. At times looks dominant, other times seems to fade into the background. Frustrating.

Campbell -- Keely. Big bruiser down low, works a strong 2 man game with PG. Clutch down the stretch.

Block -- Freeman. Great stroke, high IQ, does all the little things that show effort and guts.

Setty -- TJ Hall. Treg is like a snowflake but his game most reminds of TJ, sometimes he struggles, but sometimes he comes up big when his team needs it. Every team needs a Setty/Hall type player.

D. Taylor -- young Keely. You can see the potential, sculpt the physique, put in the work and good things could come.

Laster -- R Johnson. Can come off bench and provide solid minutes, Johnson built his value on defense, Laster would be wise to do same.

Gollon -- Taylor. Energy guard off bench, good in short spurts.


Using this kind of comparison I would say that what the current team is lacking most of all is an Offutt and a J Smith. Ideally Harley and Wadley would fill those roles but unfortunately they don't match up.

For this team to make a run next year they're going to need to find an Offutt and a J Smith.


Good analogies all - biggest ? Would be Gollon

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 6:06:45 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
was thinking of which recent Bobcats our current Bobcats are most similar to, here's what I've come up with-


Simmons -- Cooper. PG that can stuff stat sheets and likes to lead. Has 100% commitment from HC.

Dartis -- Kellogg. Is smart, plays smart. Even tempered, plays calm and confident. Known as 3pt shooter but can develop all around game with time.

Kaminski -- Baltic. Stretch 4, prefers playing away from the rim. At times looks dominant, other times seems to fade into the background. Frustrating.

Campbell -- Keely. Big bruiser down low, works a strong 2 man game with PG. Clutch down the stretch.

Block -- Freeman. Great stroke, high IQ, does all the little things that show effort and guts.

Setty -- TJ Hall. Treg is like a snowflake but his game most reminds of TJ, sometimes he struggles, but sometimes he comes up big when his team needs it. Every team needs a Setty/Hall type player.

D. Taylor -- young Keely. You can see the potential, sculpt the physique, put in the work and good things could come.

Laster -- R Johnson. Can come off bench and provide solid minutes, Johnson built his value on defense, Laster would be wise to do same.

Gollon -- Taylor. Energy guard off bench, good in short spurts.


Using this kind of comparison I would say that what the current team is lacking most of all is an Offutt and a J Smith. Ideally Harley and Wadley would fill those roles but unfortunately they don't match up.

For this team to make a run next year they're going to need to find an Offutt and a J Smith.


Good list....I'm thinking Setty is more like KVK.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 7:14:56 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
was thinking of which recent Bobcats our current Bobcats are most similar to, here's what I've come up with-


Simmons -- Cooper. PG that can stuff stat sheets and likes to lead. Has 100% commitment from HC.

Dartis -- Kellogg. Is smart, plays smart. Even tempered, plays calm and confident. Known as 3pt shooter but can develop all around game with time.

Kaminski -- Baltic. Stretch 4, prefers playing away from the rim. At times looks dominant, other times seems to fade into the background. Frustrating.

Campbell -- Keely. Big bruiser down low, works a strong 2 man game with PG. Clutch down the stretch.

Block -- Freeman. Great stroke, high IQ, does all the little things that show effort and guts.

Setty -- TJ Hall. Treg is like a snowflake but his game most reminds of TJ, sometimes he struggles, but sometimes he comes up big when his team needs it. Every team needs a Setty/Hall type player.

D. Taylor -- young Keely. You can see the potential, sculpt the physique, put in the work and good things could come.

Laster -- R Johnson. Can come off bench and provide solid minutes, Johnson built his value on defense, Laster would be wise to do same.

Gollon -- Taylor. Energy guard off bench, good in short spurts.


Using this kind of comparison I would say that what the current team is lacking most of all is an Offutt and a J Smith. Ideally Harley and Wadley would fill those roles but unfortunately they don't match up.

For this team to make a run next year they're going to need to find an Offutt and a J Smith.


I'll go a few steps further back:

Setty -- Jeff Halbert. His 3-point shot isn't as good, but his pull up jumpers and drives to the glass have been better. Senior leadership is exceptional.

Laster -- Whitney Davis. Solid on the defensive end and improving offensively.

Campbell -- hybrid mix of Leon Williams, Reggie Keeley and Ivo Baltic. He can bang down low, but also step out and shoot the three? Good luck defenses.

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 7:43:12 AM 
TC shooting the 3 is a question mark? Or was that a question that the defenses could deal with it? I think that is the thing he is heads above the 3 you mentioned for sure. Playing through him last night was exceptional. Ball into the post (mostly right low block) and then he went to work exploiting Balls D in the middle. When he stepped out finally in the 2nd half he buried the trey. that was exceptional.

Good list of parallels and attributes.

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 7:51:34 AM 
Good MAC Stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 1st in FT% as a team.

Ohio is 1st in FG% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in 3Pt% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in defensive rebounding % as a team, despite being 7th in FG% defense and 10 in 3Pt% defense. So if the other team misses a shot, Ohio is pretty good at not letting the other team get the rebound.

Ohio is 2nd in blocked shots as a team.

Ohio is 6th in assists as a team, but Jaaron is obvi #1 individually.



Bad MAC stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 9th in scoring defense, but I think we can all agree the team is a lot better than the beginning of the year.

Already mentioned the poor FG% and 3Pt% on defense.

Last place in steals.

Last place in turnover margin, by a lot.

Last place in offensive rebounding.


I'd really like to see what overall +/- are for Ohio's players individually. Despite all the foul trouble and only averaging about 26.5 minutes a game, Tony is close to averaging a double-double, which shouldn't be a thing.
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   Posted: 2/10/2016 7:53:05 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
TC shooting the 3 is a question mark? Or was that a question that the defenses could deal with it? I think that is the thing he is heads above the 3 you mentioned for sure. Playing through him last night was exceptional. Ball into the post (mostly right low block) and then he went to work exploiting Balls D in the middle. When he stepped out finally in the 2nd half he buried the trey. that was exceptional.

Good list of parallels and attributes.


Oh he can shoot the three and I love it when he does. More about pick your poison if you're the D.

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 1:33:01 PM 
perimeterpost wrote:
was thinking of which recent Bobcats our current Bobcats are most similar to, here's what I've come up with-

Simmons -- Cooper. PG that can stuff stat sheets and likes to lead. Has 100% commitment from HC.

Dartis -- Kellogg. Is smart, plays smart. Even tempered, plays calm and confident. Known as 3pt shooter but can develop all around game with time.

Kaminski -- Baltic. Stretch 4, prefers playing away from the rim. At times looks dominant, other times seems to fade into the background. Frustrating.

Campbell -- Keely. Big bruiser down low, works a strong 2 man game with PG. Clutch down the stretch.

Block -- Freeman. Great stroke, high IQ, does all the little things that show effort and guts.

Setty -- TJ Hall. Treg is like a snowflake but his game most reminds of TJ, sometimes he struggles, but sometimes he comes up big when his team needs it. Every team needs a Setty/Hall type player.

D. Taylor -- young Keely. You can see the potential, sculpt the physique, put in the work and good things could come.

Laster -- R Johnson. Can come off bench and provide solid minutes, Johnson built his value on defense, Laster would be wise to do same.

Gollon -- Taylor. Energy guard off bench, good in short spurts.

Using this kind of comparison I would say that what the current team is lacking most of all is an Offutt and a J Smith. Ideally Harley and Wadley would fill those roles but unfortunately they don't match up.

For this team to make a run next year they're going to need to find an Offutt and a J Smith.



I like your list, and the thoughts others have shared about comparing Laster and Setty to Davis and Halbert. I think Tony is well ahead of Reggie on the offensive end. His rebounding prowess is somewhat comparable to Leon, though I think Leon as a little better.


When it comes to what they're lacking, I can't agree strongly enough about the need for a presence like Walt. For me, he was the guy that made that 2012 team work. This is exactly why I've been "preaching" for months about my perception of the need to find another guard with that last scholly for 2016-17. Someone with some handles, who can fill in for Dartis and Simmons both, but someone who also can really defend, and really run the floor. Ideally that guy could defend the 1, 2, and 3 of the opponent as well. Borna was right when he commented that guys like that don't grow on trees, but hopefully Saul & Co find one like that. I firmly believe that type of player is the only missing piece from a great team next season.

Having that 3rd guard who can really get it done has been a huge difference maker for Akron this year so far (Williams, Jackson, Robot-Ham). OUr team is gonna have to match-up on that trio for two more years, so I think we need that guy for that reason as well.


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   Posted: 2/10/2016 1:48:29 PM 
I feel like Culver could fit the Walt mode. He's an underrated guy but he's an athletic 6-foot-4 guy who can take it to the rack and hit from outside. I wish Ryan Taylor could have stayed and developed into that. I think he would have fit in great with this group. Instead my hope is that Laster can develop his jumper and fill more of that role. He has to get his ball handling and skills to catch up to his effort and "D." I also wish Block would decide if he wants to be a shooter or a driver. His effort is unequaled often times but he gets caught up making a move and going nowhere. I want him to become Treg if possible. Dependable from outside but moving to the hoop with a purpose.
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   Posted: 2/10/2016 2:34:39 PM 
Maybe Culver is that guy. I know one thing - unless he gets other big school offers, Ohio's looks pretty darn good given where his home town is. (I know, not always the biggest factor, but it can be one)

I like Block just the way he is. He's not gonna be Setty, nor do I personally want him to be. I'd like to see him continue to add strength and quickness, and be exactly what he is right now.

I agree on your Laster comments. A year ago, I thought he was an improved perimeter jump shot away from being a major contributor and maybe the starting 2 guard.
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   Posted: 2/10/2016 9:56:43 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
This team is quickly becoming THE TEAM you don't want to face in March. #GrowingUp #Confidence


Been saying it all season, even when things were a little bumpy. I say it every year, no one wants to play Ohio in the MAC Tournament.
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   Posted: 2/10/2016 10:56:28 PM 
Ohio started 2-4 in the MAC, but is 4-1 since. That is not inconsistent as far as winning games goes. They have been getting it done, even though the play during the games has been very inconsistent.

They look to be putting it together to me and could make a good run in the tourney if they keep up the improvement.

While they drive you crazy at times, it's a fun bunch to watch.
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   Posted: 2/10/2016 10:58:34 PM 
The team can make the NCAAs but if you want to build a program in Athens I think its more important to finish with a 14-4 or better MAC record every year. The program was heading there under Groce and Christian w/ Groce players. Stability at the HC position killed momentum otherwise the program could have turned the corner by now and become an annual lock for the NCAA tournament. Ohio can get there again under Saul.

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   Posted: 2/10/2016 11:42:53 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Good MAC Stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 1st in FT% as a team.

Ohio is 1st in FG% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in 3Pt% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in defensive rebounding % as a team, despite being 7th in FG% defense and 10 in 3Pt% defense. So if the other team misses a shot, Ohio is pretty good at not letting the other team get the rebound.

Ohio is 2nd in blocked shots as a team.

Ohio is 6th in assists as a team, but Jaaron is obvi #1 individually.



Bad MAC stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 9th in scoring defense, but I think we can all agree the team is a lot better than the beginning of the year.

Already mentioned the poor FG% and 3Pt% on defense.

Last place in steals.

Last place in turnover margin, by a lot.

Last place in offensive rebounding.


I'd really like to see what overall +/- are for Ohio's players individually. Despite all the foul trouble and only averaging about 26.5 minutes a game, Tony is close to averaging a double-double, which shouldn't be a thing.




Here you go. Scroll down to Advanced stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/ohio/2016.html
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TheGreatLarryMoe wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Good MAC Stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 1st in FT% as a team.

Ohio is 1st in FG% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in 3Pt% as a team.

Ohio is 3rd in defensive rebounding % as a team, despite being 7th in FG% defense and 10 in 3Pt% defense. So if the other team misses a shot, Ohio is pretty good at not letting the other team get the rebound.

Ohio is 2nd in blocked shots as a team.

Ohio is 6th in assists as a team, but Jaaron is obvi #1 individually.



Bad MAC stats through Saturday's NIU game:

Ohio is 9th in scoring defense, but I think we can all agree the team is a lot better than the beginning of the year.

Already mentioned the poor FG% and 3Pt% on defense.

Last place in steals.

Last place in turnover margin, by a lot.

Last place in offensive rebounding.


I'd really like to see what overall +/- are for Ohio's players individually. Despite all the foul trouble and only averaging about 26.5 minutes a game, Tony is close to averaging a double-double, which shouldn't be a thing.




Here you go. Scroll down to Advanced stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/ohio/2016.html


If I'm reading those stats correctly, the Advanced stats show that Tony is grabbing 30% of the defensive rebounds that are available when he's in the game. So 1/3 shots is being grabbed by him? That's a huge number.

The per 40 minutes stats are crazy too. If Tony were to play 40 minutes he'd be averaging 25 pts, 14 rebs. And then 35 pts and 19 rebs per 100 possessions. No wonder teams try to key on him and get him in foul trouble.
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GoCats105 wrote:


If I'm reading those stats correctly, the Advanced stats show that Tony is grabbing 30% of the defensive rebounds that are available when he's in the game. So 1/3 shots is being grabbed by him? That's a huge number.

The per 40 minutes stats are crazy too. If Tony were to play 40 minutes he'd be averaging 25 pts, 14 rebs. And then 35 pts and 19 rebs per 100 possessions. No wonder teams try to key on him and get him in foul trouble.



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   Posted: 2/11/2016 10:59:34 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
The team can make the NCAAs but if you want to build a program in Athens I think its more important to finish with a 14-4 or better MAC record every year. The program was heading there under Groce and Christian w/ Groce players. Stability at the HC position killed momentum otherwise the program could have turned the corner by now and become an annual lock for the NCAA tournament. Ohio can get there again under Saul.



Totally agree with you here. You have to finish top 2-3 regular season every year, and it seemed like with those teams from a few years back that the program was on the way to that. Last year was an obvious outlier. Honestly, as long as Saul sticks here for 3-5 more years, I think those kinds of teams probably aren't as far away as people think.

I agree that OUr team was inconsistent early on. The recent stretch, where they've been 4-1, has shown a lot more consistency, particularly with regard to defense. The trend is in the right direction folks. Hopefully it continues tomorrow night.
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OU_Country wrote:
Totally agree with you here. You have to finish top 2-3 regular season every year, and it seemed like with those teams from a few years back that the program was...


Number of regular season finishes in the top 3 by team, past 10 seasons-
6 Akron
6 Kent State
4 Buffalo
4 WMU
2 CMU
2 Toledo
2 OHIO
1 Ball St
1 BGSU
1 Miami
1 NIU
0 EMU


Number of NCAA Tournament wins, last 10 seasons-
3 OHIO
0 everybody else


Whats done more to build a fanbase and a program, Akron's 6 top 3 regular season finishes, or Ohio's 3 NCAA wins?


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