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Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 1:50:36 PM  OU_Country wrote: Agree on both of your thoughts here. The MAC should absolutley get ride of basketball divisions. I sometimes wonder if they stick with it just for scheduling reasons. Otherwise, the divisions are merely cosmetic. You get nothing for saying you're "MAC East Champs". I thought the Ball State guys calling the game on ESPN3 were the best ones I've listened to all season in conference play. I tried to sync with Russ & Rob, but it was too big of a time gap, so I went to the TV guys. I think keeping the divisions is entirely for scheduling because they have no other real effect. I know this isn't really practical but I would love to see us go to a true round robin 22 game schedule. Just drop four cupcakes off our OOC schedule. I thought the announcers were good as well. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,694 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 2:09:34 PM  Leave it to the resident O'Shea apologist to bring up the 22 game schedule. (I actually wouldn't mind it either) Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 2:21:08 PM  OUVan wrote: OU_Country wrote: Agree on both of your thoughts here. The MAC should absolutley get ride of basketball divisions. I sometimes wonder if they stick with it just for scheduling reasons. Otherwise, the divisions are merely cosmetic. You get nothing for saying you're "MAC East Champs". I thought the Ball State guys calling the game on ESPN3 were the best ones I've listened to all season in conference play. I tried to sync with Russ & Rob, but it was too big of a time gap, so I went to the TV guys. I think keeping the divisions is entirely for scheduling because they have no other real effect. I know this isn't really practical but I would love to see us go to a true round robin 22 game schedule. Just drop four cupcakes off our OOC schedule. I thought the announcers were good as well. How about instead of going 22 game MAC season (which I think is way too much)....replace the 4 cupcakes with decent OOC games. This league is stagnant on a national level. The MAC's best OOC win this year was Akron at Arkansas or Ball State over Valpo. That's it. The league only played 15 games TOTAL against P6 leagues going 1-14 If you throw in the A-10, AAC, Colonial, MWC and MVC they went 9-28 (8-14 vs. those 5 leagues) If this league is ever to going to get back to the level it was in the late 90s or separate themselves from the other below-average mid-major leagues (i.e. Sun Belt, OVC, Horizon) they're going to have to schedule better. 37 games vs. P6 and the second-level 5 (A-10, AAC, Colonial, MWC and MVC) 21 games vs. non-D1 (that's not counting exhibitions) I understand every team needs a few gimmies....but that's almost 2 per school vs. non-D1. On the flip side, it's just over 3 vs. "good" competition. It's no wonder this league NEVER sniffs an at-large bid anymore. Cut out a non-D1 and add an second-level 5 game..... Akron is 20-4.....11 straight 20-win seasons....and they are NOWHERE near the at-large conversation. Playing more MAC games isn't the answer. Playing better OOC schedules is. This league is pretty talented and I think has a chance to be better..... The worst team is Miami and they lost only by 1 at Dayton and by 9 at Xavier. Rivalry game or not, that's pretty good for the worst team in the MAC. It's time Steinbrecher holds these schools accountable for their scheduling. No more of these non-D1 games. I'd rather schedule more OVC, Sun Belt, or Horizon league teams rather than these non-D1s. Even CUSA teams (which I was stunned to see how far that league has fallen...they're bad!) Ok...rant over. Last Edited: 2/10/2016 2:24:15 PM by bshot44 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 2:39:51 PM  When it comes to scheduling, I agree the league needs to have a minimum standard of OOC schedules. I wasn't in favor of the 18 game schedule, much less 22. I'd rather just see 2-3 better non-conf games as well. Conference season is great, but having 2-3 interesting opponents we don't always see, or an interesting new venue/campus to travel to is better to me. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 3:37:39 PM  bshot, I couldn't agree more about the scheduling! "The growth had been incremental and seen on tape by me, and now, I think the world is seeing it,” Ohio coach Saul Phillips said. I wonder what they're saying about us in Istanbul? Back to Top GroverBall General User Member Since: 12/3/2012 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,241 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 3:58:17 PM  BOB&BEARCAT wrote: I was sitting with my Friend Paul Baron during the game some Ball State chump got mouthy with him at the end of the game. Paul put him in his place and he shut up. What do you expect Hoosier versus a New Yorker no contest. LOL Any one at the game here this. Only "heard" it thru Borna who mentioned it in the chat, I was curious about the details. Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,925 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/10/2016 4:01:50 PM  bshot44 wrote: The league only played 15 games TOTAL against P6 leagues going 1-14 If you throw in the A-10, AAC, Colonial, MWC and MVC they went 9-28 (8-14 vs. those 5 leagues) If this league is ever to going to get back to the level it was in the late 90s or separate themselves from the other below-average mid-major leagues (i.e. Sun Belt, OVC, Horizon) they're going to have to schedule better. 37 games vs. P6 and the second-level 5 (A-10, AAC, Colonial, MWC and MVC) 21 games vs. non-D1 (that's not counting exhibitions) Ok...rant over. I would like to schedule better games as much as anyone, but doesn't the fact that the MAC went 1-14 against P6 prove that we shouldn't be scheduling more of those games? None of the teams are good enough to win them and the conference actually benefits from everyone having cupcake schedules and padding their records. That's why we are the 10th rated conference in RPI and 12th according to kenpom.com. Our conference RPI is higher than the Mountain West, Summit, MVC, WCC, Ivy, Horizon, Sun Belt, and Conf-USA. Going back just three years we were 18th as a conference in RPI. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 10:04:29 AM  bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: I would like to schedule better games as much as anyone, but doesn't the fact that the MAC went 1-14 against P6 prove that we shouldn't be scheduling more of those games? None of the teams are good enough to win them and the conference actually benefits from everyone having cupcake schedules and padding their records. That's why we are the 10th rated conference in RPI and 12th according to kenpom.com. Our conference RPI is higher than the Mountain West, Summit, MVC, WCC, Ivy, Horizon, Sun Belt, and Conf-USA. Going back just three years we were 18th as a conference in RPI. How many of those P6 games were in MAC arenas? I'm all for scheduling tougher games as long as they are fair. Play the P6 teams in neutral settings if they won't agree to come to Athens. If they won't come to Athens then screw them. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 3:04:19 PM  We are not in a position of power to dictate scheduling P6 schools in Athens. It benefits us to play them on the road even if we lose more than we win. If you want to improve and elevate the program you must play those games on the road. Maybe down the road you get some back. Oh by the way: It's not fair and never will be fair. Last Edited: 2/11/2016 3:05:14 PM by giacomo Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 3:29:09 PM  Anyone have rough idea of the financial aspects (revenues, costs) of playing a bigtime school on the road or Convo, smallertime on road or Convo? I'm okay with us doing whatever it takes to build a consistently solid team. Make us a 'name' known (winning) team and much should follow. The beast is TV and media. Be tasty for TV and much follows. Generally, TV and media seem to like the OHIO. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,820 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 4:26:19 PM  giacomo wrote: We are not in a position of power to dictate scheduling P6 schools in Athens. It benefits us to play them on the road even if we lose more than we win. If you want to improve and elevate the program you must play those games on the road. Maybe down the road you get some back. Oh by the way: It's not fair and never will be fair. Also keep in mind a "home game" in December does not mean the students are in session (thus also impacting size of crowd and financials per Monroe's inquiry above). Per another thread - go on the road, play anyone anywhere, anytime. This does not mean every game needs to be against the Oklahomas. Play some Minnys, PSU, Rutgers, Miss. St. etc. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 5:35:25 PM  Ed Zachary Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 5:41:08 PM  cc-cat wrote: giacomo wrote: We are not in a position of power to dictate scheduling P6 schools in Athens. It benefits us to play them on the road even if we lose more than we win. If you want to improve and elevate the program you must play those games on the road. Maybe down the road you get some back. Oh by the way: It's not fair and never will be fair. Also keep in mind a "home game" in December does not mean the students are in session (thus also impacting size of crowd and financials per Monroe's inquiry above). Per another thread - go on the road, play anyone anywhere, anytime. This does not mean every game needs to be against the Oklahomas. Play some Minnys, PSU, Rutgers, Miss. St. etc. I'll take the schedule that former OU assistant and current Yale head coach James Jones has year in and year out. Here is this year's schedule: http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-baskbl/2015-16/schedule Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,722 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 5:48:04 PM  I hope we keep scheduling those non-con tournaments. Those seem like a way to get some solid opponents on the schedule on a neutral court. Also, I would kill for some sort of MVC/MAC Challenge. There are plenty of high quality mid-majors to schedule. What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/11/2016 10:27:17 PM  giacomo wrote: We are not in a position of power to dictate scheduling P6 schools in Athens. It benefits us to play them on the road even if we lose more than we win. If you want to improve and elevate the program you must play those games on the road. Maybe down the road you get some back. Oh by the way: It's not fair and never will be fair. Interesting take closest to that idea is Gonzaga and Butler. Going back through their schedules since 2002 it looks like, even though in Spokane they have the new Kennel they tend to get P6 teams on the road and nuetral places other than the Kennel or Hinkle making use of Banker's Life or Key Arenas. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/12/2016 11:29:21 AM  giacomo wrote: We are not in a position of power to dictate scheduling P6 schools in Athens. It benefits us to play them on the road even if we lose more than we win. If you want to improve and elevate the program you must play those games on the road. Maybe down the road you get some back. Oh by the way: It's not fair and never will be fair. Are you a lobbyist for the P6? It doesn't benefit us at all if we lose. It's a huge benefit if you win but just check the record and see what the MAC's record is in P6 gyms. I would 100 times out of 100 take a home and home against a good MVC team over a one-and-done road game against a P6. The key is getting to the point that you are consistently good enough that you won't be seen as a bad loss (i.e. Gonzaga, Wichita State). Would love to see us get to the point that we can schedule like Wichita State. They played 5 games against the big boys with 1 road game, 3 neutrals and 1 home. They also played tough mids home and away. Gonzaga played a similar schedule although they got several P6 home games. But I think it is extremely stupid to play the P6 by their rules. Screw them. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 23 Thread: Ball St.    Posted: 2/12/2016 4:41:45 PM  Getting home and home games against the MVC is not going to happen or it would have by now. You are already penciling losses before the games are played. Look at Milwaukee this year. They played at Minnesota and at Wisconsin. They won both games because they are good this year. They played Wisconsin last year and got drilled. If you don't go on the road you're stuck in the one bid limbo and must win the conference tourney. It's okay if that's what we want as a program, but don't expect more doing the same old things. That's why they play the games. Sometimes you win. Back to Top Showing Replies:   51 - 68  of 68 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 117 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 117 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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