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  Message Not Read  WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/27/2015 5:27:39 PM 
Way to go ladies!

Black, 17 pts.

Weatherspoon, 12 pts., 11 reb

Baldwin, 10 and 12.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/27/2015 6:28:42 PM 
Awesome!!!! The Ohio women picking up where they left off last year!!
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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/27/2015 10:38:38 PM 
BoldonBall. That's how you do. That's how you MACC.


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/27/2015 11:21:59 PM 
Saw the game here in Nashville. Very impressed with the defensive effort, especially going toe to toe with Big 10 athletes. Way to go girls.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/28/2015 3:37:10 AM 
In the NCAA playoff game last year, I think that we played Arizona which was ranked about #12 or so. We were somewhat overmatched. But I sense that was because we weren't used to playing at that level of play every game. AZ had one gal who was markedly good. Otherwise, I thought we had talent to hang with them if we were used to playing that level of competition consistently.


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/29/2015 9:13:08 PM 
Not to poo poo the win but to offer some perspective, don't be fooled by the name on the front of the jersey. The lady hoosiers are very much bottom dwellers...They are 15-57 in the past 4 years in the Big Ten. Illinois (who we lost to in the opener) is also a bottom tier team in the conference. Vanderbilt is so-so and the Bobcats nearly had a nice road win there.

Coming off last year, honestly I had hopes for a better start and the building of an at-large resume.


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 1:09:31 AM 
Glad to see the win over a B1G team, even a weak one. Go OHIO!

P.S. I suppose at the end of the season this won't be a win over a team with a winning record, so in some quarters it won't count. ;-)

P.P.S. Counts with me!


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 2:50:13 AM 
OCF--Ohio in the three years before Bob Boldon took over: 9-22, 14-18, 6-23 (oldest to most recent). Then Excellent Bob Boldon took over and 9-21, then 27-5 with MAC Championship.

Something that the coach who you revere hasn't done.

Deal with it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 7:35:14 AM 
I don't know...Football was 11-35 the previous 4 seasons before Frank. Then a 4-7 mark followed by 9-3 with MAC East title. The start of Boldon's career actually sounds very much like the start of Frank's at Ohio.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 8:15:43 AM 
Vandy is usually a strong program in women's hoops. That would've been a nice win. Frustrating game to watch nonetheless. We got crushed on the glass and had no answer for their thick post player. I also thought it was a horribly-officiated game. Lots of missed foul calls, questionable foul calls, lots of missed travelling calls.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 2:32:59 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Vandy is usually a strong program in women's hoops. That would've been a nice win. Frustrating game to watch nonetheless. We got crushed on the glass and had no answer for their thick post player. I also thought it was a horribly-officiated game. Lots of missed foul calls, questionable foul calls, lots of missed travelling calls.


And still, if the girls had hit their free throws, they'd of won.

It holds true for both men and women: If you can rebound and hit your free throws in the college game, you can pick up a lotta wins...
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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 11/30/2015 8:15:29 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I don't know...Football was 11-35 the previous 4 seasons before Frank. Then a 4-7 mark followed by 9-3 with MAC East title. The start of Boldon's career actually sounds very much like the start of Frank's at Ohio.



No.


Win MACC does not equal Not Win MACC.


And I'll bet you a stapler and a hole punch that Boldon does better years 3-11 here (if still here) than football.


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 12:35:58 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I don't know...Football was 11-35 the previous 4 seasons before Frank. Then a 4-7 mark followed by 9-3 with MAC East title. The start of Boldon's career actually sounds very much like the start of Frank's at Ohio.



No.


Win MACC does not equal Not Win MACC.


And I'll bet you a stapler and a hole punch that Boldon does better years 3-11 here (if still here) than football.


Monroe, when was the last time we won a MACC regular season in men's basketball? Nee couldn't do it. Hunter couldn't do. Groce couldn't do it. I think Saul will do it, but it ain't gonna be easy. Go OHIO!


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 2:10:51 AM 
You miss the point in many ways: MACC, not regular season. Look at Nee's record--I see a MAC regular season, two MACC's and almost always at the top in 6 years. Hunter--12 years, one MACC, let go because he peaked--sound familiar? Groce--4 years and two MACC.

Boldon and Webb with MACC titles and appears will at top of MAC every year.

(I think that my facts above are accurate.)

Your ability to miss the facts and reasonable comparisons due to your rather blind worship of Solich is impressive.


Answer for me:

1) How many years of no MACC with Solich will it take for you to re-assess...11, 15, 19? I'm serious. At what point will you begin to doubt?


2) At whatever point we go to hire a new football coach, if he comes to us with no conference title in 11 years, with the latest four carrying a lot of mediocre, will you be quite pleased?


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 8:57:48 AM 
Monroe, I believe that Nee's regular season was a co-championship not an outright one, which would be the equivalent of winning the MACC in football. However, my point was, that as in football, there are multiple ways to assess success in basketball. L.C.'s poll showed that most BAer's agree with that assessment. You, my man, are fixated on only one. Prior to the last three games you were also fixated on no MAC wins over winning teams. That one is gone. Soon the no MACC will be gone too, but I suspect you'll still complain, because you have a real problem admitting that you were ever wrong about anything. I'm good at admitting error; my wife says that's because I have a lot of practice at it with her. ;-)

Last Edited: 12/1/2015 11:05:35 AM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 11:57:13 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I don't know...Football was 11-35 the previous 4 seasons before Frank. Then a 4-7 mark followed by 9-3 with MAC East title. The start of Boldon's career actually sounds very much like the start of Frank's at Ohio.



No.


Win MACC does not equal Not Win MACC.


And I'll bet you a stapler and a hole punch that Boldon does better years 3-11 here (if still here) than football.


Monroe, when was the last time we won a MACC regular season in men's basketball? Nee couldn't do it. Hunter couldn't do. Groce couldn't do it. I think Saul will do it, but it ain't gonna be easy. Go OHIO!



Can anyone ACTUALLY FACT CHECK anything? Larry Hunter and Danny Nee both won MAC regular season titles (outright), and in both years they also won the MACC game.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 12:09:38 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Can anyone ACTUALLY FACT CHECK anything? Larry Hunter and Danny Nee both won MAC regular season titles (outright), and in both years they also won the MACC game.


Christian did it three years ago, albeit not outright.
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   Posted: 12/1/2015 12:49:21 PM 
OUVan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Can anyone ACTUALLY FACT CHECK anything? Larry Hunter and Danny Nee both won MAC regular season titles (outright), and in both years they also won the MACC game.


Christian did it three years ago, albeit not outright.


I am aware of that, but he was not mentioned in the post I referenced. OCF, clearly called out Danny and Larry for not winning titles, when they actually did, and they were our last two outright titles.
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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 1:26:18 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Can anyone ACTUALLY FACT CHECK anything? Larry Hunter and Danny Nee both won MAC regular season titles (outright), and in both years they also won the MACC game.


Christian did it three years ago, albeit not outright.


I am aware of that, but he was not mentioned in the post I referenced. OCF, clearly called out Danny and Larry for not winning titles, when they actually did, and they were our last two outright titles.


I was adding to your post not disputing it. Plus Hunter's and Nee's were more than 20 years ago when the most recent answer to his question was just 3 years ago.
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   Posted: 12/1/2015 3:03:06 PM 
^^^^ tru dat
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   Posted: 12/1/2015 4:53:15 PM 
OK guys and gals, as I said, I'm good at admitting I'm wrong when I am. And, in this case I was clearly wrong. I was relying on memory of some posts on here back when JC got his co-championship that he was the first since the '60s to get a regular season MAC championship. So, obviously this proves two points: 1. BA is not always the best source for facts, and more importantly, 2. I should not rely on my memory without first cross-checking it against the facts.

Last Edited: 12/1/2015 4:54:22 PM by OhioCatFan


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   Posted: 12/1/2015 7:02:20 PM 
OCF, at some point, despite your love of Solich, it would be nice if you'd answer the questions asked:


1) How many years of no MACC with Solich will it take for you to re-assess...11, 15, 19? I'm serious. At what point will you begin to doubt?


2) At whatever point we go to hire a new football coach, if he comes to us with no conference title in 11 years, with the latest four carrying a lot of mediocre, will you be quite pleased?



I do admire your ability to shift to a lesser goal (bowl wins..whatever) when Solich can't satisfy the main criteria of occasional MACC and generally at or near top of the conference.


Now, if Obama or Hillary had missed the goal that way, you'd certainly hold them to account.



At least I'm consistent in my standards.



(I'd pm you on this so as not to annoy others but during your pique of the fabulous Beefs, WMU, BG run you closed off channels of communication...apparently because the facts got uncomfortable for you.)


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   Posted: 12/1/2015 7:46:51 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
OCF, at some point, despite your love of Solich, it would be nice if you'd answer the questions asked:


1) How many years of no MACC with Solich will it take for you to re-assess...11, 15, 19? I'm serious. At what point will you begin to doubt?


2) At whatever point we go to hire a new football coach, if he comes to us with no conference title in 11 years, with the latest four carrying a lot of mediocre, will you be quite pleased?



I do admire your ability to shift to a lesser goal (bowl wins..whatever) when Solich can't satisfy the main criteria of occasional MACC and generally at or near top of the conference.


Now, if Obama or Hillary had missed the goal that way, you'd certainly hold them to account.



At least I'm consistent in my standards.



(I'd pm you on this so as not to annoy others but during your pique of the fabulous Beefs, WMU, BG run you closed off channels of communication...apparently because the facts got uncomfortable for you.)



Monroe,

This is a BASKETBALL board. If you want to go on and on and on FOREVER about YOUR criteria for determining what defines a SUCCESSFUL football coach you may want to go to the Football threads. That said .... I'll offer a few thoughts.

So you'd be happy if we won a MACC and then went 6-5, 5-6, 7-4, 3-8, 6-5 in subsequent years? I think most posters here would prefer a HIGHER winning percentage over the longer term and if a MACC happens, great. If not, we have the best coach we've had in 40 years or more. A single MACC does NOT define a successful coach.

I love that it is YOU who gets to define "lesser" goals. I suspect most alums are happy when we get to a bowl game. I suspect most are happy with us having just 2 losing seasons in Frank's 11 years.

You rant often about FACTS. Well one fact you overlook is that we don't have sellout crowds every week, we have sparse attendance oftentimes in the 2nd half of many games. We are NOT a football power and never will be! Deal with that fact. Instead, we're a solid MAC team that has made great strides under Solich' leadership. You can't selectively choose what's important and what's not. You continually want to cherry pick subsets of data and use that to support your opinion. Opinions are NOT the same as facts.

You're not McDavis or Schaus. That is a fact you need to accept. If they felt Frank was underachieving they'd take steps to remedy the situation.

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  Message Not Read  RE: WBB: Ohio 63 Indiana 56!
   Posted: 12/1/2015 10:28:51 PM 
"1) How many years of no MACC with Solich will it take for you to re-assess...11, 15, 19? I'm serious. At what point will you begin to doubt?"

Not really a relevant question. If we keep having winning years, we'll get back to the MACC soon enough. If we lose another close MACC as we did the last time, I'll be upset, but I won't be calling for Solich's head. If we had several losing seasons in a row, I might say we should start looking, but I think you going to see multiple ten win seasons in the not too distant future. The program is building it's not on a downward spiral. We had two years -- 2013 and 2014 -- that were atypical for various reasons that you refuse to accept. No need to explain that all over again, because you'll ignore it just like you did the previous ten times.


"2) At whatever point we go to hire a new football coach, if he comes to us with no conference title in 11 years, with the latest four carrying a lot of mediocre, will you be quite pleased?"

Your questions get more obtuse all the time. This one takes the cake. You cherry pick the last three years and ask a question about a replacement coach with a similar record as though those three years define Frank's career. They don't. Frank came here fairly fresh off a National Championship game. He lost that game badly. Just as he's lost some recent games. Nebraska was stupid enough to fire him after a 9-3 season (10-4, including bowl game). If a coach with Frank's career record had a few bad seasons and we hired him on the rebound, like we did Frank, I'd say it was another great hire by OHIO.


"3. I do admire your ability to shift to a lesser goal (bowl wins..whatever) when Solich can't satisfy the main criteria of occasional MACC and generally at or near top of the conference."

I admire your ability to cherry-pick data and then ignore that cherry-picked data when the facts change. See former mantra on no wins over MACC teams with winning records in the last 2.5 years. ;-)


"4. At least I'm consistent in my standards."

No you are not, as the above clearly shows, and as many, many on this board have pointed out to you on many occasions. You decided Frank was over the hill, and you selectively muster facts (and opinions) to support your conclusion. If we win the MACC next year, you'll come up with other selective facts to support your Frank should retire now thesis.


"5. I'd pm you on this so as not to annoy others but during your pique of the fabulous Beefs, WMU, BG run you closed off channels of communication...apparently because the facts got uncomfortable for you."

I got really tired of hearing your same mantra over and over again with nothing really new and then your quite apparent glee over the bad stretch we were experiencing. You were clearly trying to use those games as "I told you so moments" and you were relishing it rather than being a little bit depressed about it as I was, and as many OHIO fans were. I didn't give up hope, but I was annoyed by your using this downturn as an occasion to advance your fire Frank agenda. I'm really happy that it boomeranged in your face.


Last Edited: 12/1/2015 10:34:36 PM by OhioCatFan


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   Posted: 12/1/2015 10:43:43 PM 
SaulBall bags another W and I find THIS drivel at the top of the Board? Yeeesh.
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