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Danny's Knee
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where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 3/30/2015 9:38:20 PM

Eastern Kentucky coach Jeff Neubauer took the fordham job .. I think this would be a good fit for geno ..

Last Edited: 3/30/2015 9:39:43 PM by Danny's Knee

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 3/30/2015 10:37:45 PM

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 3/31/2015 7:31:55 AM

Geno to BG when Jans goes back to Wichita to back fill Marshall?

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/1/2015 12:49:06 PM

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/1/2015 2:16:34 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

Bradley has a pretty rich history and Geno's leaving it in pretty bad shape -- and that's without the Kent State mess factored in. He might have to spend some assistant time somewhere before he gets another D-1 head coaching job.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/1/2015 2:24:24 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

And he certainly didn't rebuild anything here - he left us a mess.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/1/2015 2:33:52 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

And he certainly didn't rebuild anything here - he left us a mess.

He did a good enough job to get an ACC head coaching job. And one bad year is hardly a mess.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/1/2015 6:44:32 PM

OUVan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

And he certainly didn't rebuild anything here - he left us a mess.

He did a good enough job to get an ACC head coaching job. And one bad year is hardly a mess.

I hate to rag on the guy but he did awful here. Pretty much just rode out the talent Groce gave him then left when it was gone. He returned a entire team that made the sweet 16 and couldn't even get them back to the tourney. I think a big share of the 10 win season we had this year has to fall on JC.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 10:35:59 AM

We Americans love to blame the predecessor! Bottom line is: there was enough returning talent to have a decent year...at least on paper. Even SP said that. The reality is this coach never got his stars to play in any kind of system offensively or defensively. Thus, the year sucked!

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 11:40:19 AM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

OUVan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

And he certainly didn't rebuild anything here - he left us a mess.

He did a good enough job to get an ACC head coaching job. And one bad year is hardly a mess.

Geez, our only MAC losses in 2013 were to Akron, who I feel was one of the three MAC teams in the last 10 years. "Couldn't even?" Come on.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 11:52:53 AM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

That "awful" job of not getting us back to the tournament comes down to one game. Groce beat Akron in the MAC final and Christian lost. The 2012 team finished the regular season with a 24-7 record (11-5 in the MAC) while the 2013 team finished the regular season with a 23-8 record (14-2 in the MAC). How friggin "awful" is that? If Groce loses to Akron in the 2012 final (a 1 point victory by the way) would you consider his job that year "awful"?

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 12:01:10 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

I love how the hardcore JC haters conveniently forget that the 2012 team placed third in the MAC, barely scraped past both Buffalo and Akron in the MAC tournament, then pulled a great upset in the NCAAs to make the Sweet Sixteen. Somehow doing something improbably made it OBVIOUS that the 2013 team HAD to at least match those accomplishments.

JC only went 24-10 with a share of the regular season championship and a made the title game in the MAC tournament in 2013. What a loser. Then the dirtbag went 25-12 in 2014 after graduating the core of a great team.

It's all revisionist BS history. Whatever you think of Groce, Christian or Phillips, the fact is that coaching changes hurt programs because kids decommit and transfer, and those that don't often don't fit the mold of the incumbent coach's strategy. There's no point in blaming a guy for leaving the cupboard bare because it's just what happens with a coaching change.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 12:32:05 PM

I'm worshipping at Van and Recovering altars on this one.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 2:26:31 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

Geno to BG when Jans goes back to Wichita to back fill Marshall?

Or just because Jans was canned at BG?

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 4:05:22 PM

OUVan wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Not only that, but he may not have ended up at Illinois that year.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 5:23:30 PM

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TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Great upset? We were a mild underdog at best against both Michigan and usf, if at all against usf. I was actually worried because so many people were picking us.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 5:33:10 PM

OUVan wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

In terms of record no his season wasn't awful, but in terms of building a program and moving us forward he did awful. How did we go from one of the better seasons in school history and making the sweet sixteen to three years later having one of the worst and going 10-20 and losing in the first round of the MAC tourney???? Who is to blame for that?? Are we just going to let him off scotch free and put all the blame on SP? No we shouldn't. I have seen very few people blame JC for the state of the program and I don't know why. While he coached here his starters were players JG recruited except for one that I can think of and that's Mo. Once all of JG's kids were gone except for Stevie he bailed and what kids did he bring in for Ohio to work with in the years to come?

Not to mention when you return a entire roster of a sweet 16 team I expect a 1 point W to turn in to a 10 point W. Not a 20 point L. Plus in that 20 point L Akron's star PG was in jail correct? Again not to mention who cares about the regular season??? All that matters is what you do come tourney time.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/2/2015 5:37:40 PM

Which goes to show what many folks consider to be the deal. Once you are in the tourney ....the matchups and brackets determine a lot. THAT is why a conference champ or a mid major can advance and why a UCLA or a 7th place major conference team is still a lousy choice over mids just due to their affiliations. UCLA fans used their wins to justify their inclusion. I think once they got in it is easier to motivate and advance. Getting there seems to be the deal.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 2:28:54 AM

This board cracks me up with how much we still discuss Groce. I've been leary to post about him but the hell with it. Hind sight being 20/20 it was a mistake for both parties. The 2013 Bobcats had the potential of being really special. Don't get me wrong 24-8 with a share of the regular season title and a championship game appearance would've been wonderful season in almost any other year. Unfortunately 2013 was one of those seasons that those wonderful achievements were in fact a let down. Looking back at the schedule, we had some big let downs. Under Groce, I don't think we get embarrassed by Memphis. We don't lose to Winthrop at home, we beat either UMass, Oklahoma or Belmont. Maybe all 3. We had an at large bid schedule but crapped the bed in the big games. 2013 didn't have one game where it was a surprise or great win. Groce had the 2012 team play toe to toe with North Carolina and the eventual 2013 National Champion Louisville. (Phantom block call on Walt). The team trusted Groce in the big games and it was clear looking at the results of 2013 they didn't trust Christian.

Shaka Smart played it smart. He built sustained success at VCU and then took a great job with unlimited resources. Texas has their own network, and no state taxes. Austin is a fantastic town. Take historical relevance off the table and it's a better job than UCLA. Again hind sight being 20/20, Groce jump on the first pretty girl to come along instead of waiting for a super model.

The Illinois move was short sighted in my opinion. Yes the money was better and it is a better program. However in my opinion it was not a top 5 job in the Big Ten at the time. I think Michigan State, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio $tate, Wisconsin, and Purdue are all better jobs. Now it is another step lower because Maryland is a better job. Groce left a great returning roster not to mention having a signed potential NBA first round talent in Caris Levert. When comparing 12' and 13' we don't often mention the X factor in Levert. Again adding to the chance of being a really special year. What did Ohio get with the Levert scholarship? Travis Wilkins a good role player in the MAC. We take Levert every time. Groce would have had a chance at the Texas job and we probably still end up with Saul ball. Patience is a virtue for a reason and if Groce would have exercised that patience things would be better for both of us.

I understand we had a dumpster fire of year and there were a bunch of variables that contributed. I think Groce, Christian, and Philips contributed. I can't entirely blame this year's seniors for doing there own thing. 3rd coach in four years is tough. This was not what they envisioned going into this year. It was hard selling those seniors on another system as well as their senior year will be a rebuilding year. It didn't work, it happens. Take away the 3 seniors and really what was left in the cupboard? Tony and Setty were the only real contributors. The lost recruiting class would've have been a nice contribution to this years returning core. Setty being the 8th or 9th guy off the bench would have been a much better situation. I like Laster and Taylor but they were scramble signings. The silver lining from this mess was that we had open scholarships to offer to the talents of Kaminski and Simmons. I think they will be better than what we lost including Owens. I think we're a year away, the 16'-17' Bobcats look very good on paper.

In my humble opinion 2013 was a missed opportunity for both Ohio and Groce. I wish Groce didn't choose the other Green. I guess it falls under the category of if wishes were horses beggars would ride. Honestly I believe Groce leaving when he did hurt the program in an unquantifiable amount. Keeping the momentum going after two magical runs is easier to sustain then just one run and a pretty good season. It didn't help Groce's replacement turned out to be a carpet bagger. The early departure might end up hurting Groce's career as well.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 7:27:00 AM

I think we caught lightning in a bottle with Groce but he's showing that he won't work just anywhere and will probably end back up at a mid-major and do a wonderful job. He will make multiple tourneys at a place like Old Dominion or even a Wisconsin Green Bay.

With Christian, after watching Wiggington this year against us, I am firm in my belief that he would have had us at 20 wins again. He would have had Wiggington and Morillo for experience which would have paid dividends in closer games. I think athletically we would have been more fun and therefore Bean and Stevie would have had fun running and gunning with those two. And Tariq would have shown his presence as well.

I think the problem was that Groce embraced OU and Christian clearly didn't belong with his East Coast swagger in Appalachia. But both did a nice job here.

Last Edited: 4/4/2015 7:27:59 AM by Bobcat1998

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Posted: 4/4/2015 7:40:58 AM

Groce could have maxed out our squad in 2013 or we could have played well all season long and still crapped the bed in the 2nd half of the MACC against Akron and ended up in the NIT all the same. It wasn't JC that went 1-20 from behind the arc. Would Groce on the sideline and a freshman Caris LaVert have been able to overcome Cooper, Kellogg, Baltic, Johnson, and Wilkins combining to shoot 1-18(0-11)? I don't know.

Groce leaving $400K/yr for $1.7M/yr is not the same as Smart passing on offers while making $1.8M/yr.

What's done is done.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 7:44:06 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

you know that if JC stayed we keep Wigginton but we lose NDour, right? He's stated publicly, he was out the door looking for a transfer when SP talked him into staying. Remember John Smith quitting after the MAC tournament? There were problems. You're wildly optimistic.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/4/2015 10:30:09 AM

From where I sit Geno made only 1 mistake, leaving Kent and making a futile attempt not to pay the buyout clause. This coupled with his poor W-L record at Bradley will have a negative impact on when and where he ends up.
He made a poor decision that will follow him the balance of his life. All future contracts he negotiates will have some kind of clause that will protect the university more than a normal contract would.
He's scarred.

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Last Edited: 4/4/2015 10:30:57 AM by 71 BOBCAT

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Posted: 4/4/2015 11:25:51 AM

perimeterpost wrote:

Are you sure about that? I thought Ndour was thinking about leaving after JC left, not before.

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RE: where will GENO FORD end up ?

Posted: 4/9/2015 11:54:46 AM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

OUVan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

BuddyLee wrote:

I'd look for him to get back in the Mac when a good job opens up again and rebuild his coaching reputation like Jim Christian did.

Not a good comp, Christian didn't need to rebuild his rep.

And he certainly didn't rebuild anything here - he left us a mess.

He did a good enough job to get an ACC head coaching job. And one bad year is hardly a mess.

I was at the ESPN bracket buster game (at Belmont) and JC looked like he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, especially compared to Rick Byrd. (and people went ballistic over the suggestion that Byrd would have been a better hire than TOS way back when)

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