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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 3/15/2015 6:00:09 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The corporate naming rights idea is intriguing. I'm sure that's only possible at a proprietary school, however, since many would view such a move as selling out to corporate interests when a public institution should to an extent be a counterbalance to corporate power.


IIRC, in 2002/2003ish, there was a guy who ran a VERY tongue-in-cheek campaign for student body president on the platform of selling naming rights of different buildings around campus to corporate interests. It was very funny stuff.
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 3/15/2015 6:18:22 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
We have clearly lost the name war.I talk to dozens on people that don't even know that Ohio exists as a university. I'm not sure what it would take to educate the masses, but we are really behind. Keep trying, I guess.


I think you are using the wrong tense here. We lost the first dozen or more battles of the name war, but we've been winning recently. I find more and more folks who know who OHIO is and can distinguish us from the Evil Empire. I think this is especially true among sports fans. The war is not won yet, but we've got the momentum. In terms of the name recognition issue, Ping was like McClellan, but Glidden and McDavis have been more in the mold of Grant. [Charlie was an excellent president in many, many respects, and he brought us back from near bankruptcy with a deft hand; he is a man of great integrity. However, the name issue was not one of his strong suits.]

You are right among true sports fans of course, but that is a fairly small number of people in the greater scheme of things. I am in Colorado now and we are virtually unknown here. We tend to think about our own little world in Ohio, but if we haven't played some fans team around here, they think of Ohio State first and them Miami next believe it or not. We have a name recognition problem, I can tell you.


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 3/15/2015 6:26:51 PM 
C Money wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
The corporate naming rights idea is intriguing. I'm sure that's only possible at a proprietary school, however, since many would view such a move as selling out to corporate interests when a public institution should to an extent be a counterbalance to corporate power.


IIRC, in 2002/2003ish, there was a guy who ran a VERY tongue-in-cheek campaign for student body president on the platform of selling naming rights of different buildings around campus to corporate interests. It was very funny stuff.


Andrew Sager. He was... interesting.


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 3/16/2015 9:07:33 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
We have clearly lost the name war.I talk to dozens on people that don't even know that Ohio exists as a university. I'm not sure what it would take to educate the masses, but we are really behind. Keep trying, I guess.


I think you are using the wrong tense here. We lost the first dozen or more battles of the name war, but we've been winning recently. I find more and more folks who know who OHIO is and can distinguish us from the Evil Empire. I think this is especially true among sports fans. The war is not won yet, but we've got the momentum. In terms of the name recognition issue, Ping was like McClellan, but Glidden and McDavis have been more in the mold of Grant. [Charlie was an excellent president in many, many respects, and he brought us back from near bankruptcy with a deft hand; he is a man of great integrity. However, the name issue was not one of his strong suits.]

You are right among true sports fans of course, but that is a fairly small number of people in the greater scheme of things. I am in Colorado now and we are virtually unknown here. We tend to think about our own little world in Ohio, but if we haven't played some fans team around here, they think of Ohio State first and them Miami next believe it or not. We have a name recognition problem, I can tell you.




I agree that we have a name recognition problem. Not enough people know "Ohio." I also agree with OCF that this fight is not over. I believe we've made significant progress the last decade and am not ready to concede defeat on getting our name out there.


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 3/16/2015 9:36:38 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
We have clearly lost the name war.I talk to dozens on people that don't even know that Ohio exists as a university. I'm not sure what it would take to educate the masses, but we are really behind. Keep trying, I guess.


I think you are using the wrong tense here. We lost the first dozen or more battles of the name war, but we've been winning recently. I find more and more folks who know who OHIO is and can distinguish us from the Evil Empire. I think this is especially true among sports fans. The war is not won yet, but we've got the momentum. In terms of the name recognition issue, Ping was like McClellan, but Glidden and McDavis have been more in the mold of Grant. [Charlie was an excellent president in many, many respects, and he brought us back from near bankruptcy with a deft hand; he is a man of great integrity. However, the name issue was not one of his strong suits.]

You are right among true sports fans of course, but that is a fairly small number of people in the greater scheme of things. I am in Colorado now and we are virtually unknown here. We tend to think about our own little world in Ohio, but if we haven't played some fans team around here, they think of Ohio State first and them Miami next believe it or not. We have a name recognition problem, I can tell you.




I agree that we have a name recognition problem. Not enough people know "Ohio." I also agree with OCF that this fight is not over. I believe we've made significant progress the last decade and am not ready to concede defeat on getting our name out there.

3 things have helped a little:
Weeknight games with no fans in the stands(this can't be Ohio State playing) but again only hard core fans watch this
Frank coaching here- all the Nebraska fans know about us.
Perhaps the sweet 16 run as well, some good pub.
Perhaps another deep run or two would help put us on the map, but that's really, really hard to do as we all know. Or another athlete like Mike Schmidt who would be in the limelight for 10-15 years
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 2:22:57 PM 
Ohio Poly?

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150501/FREE/1505...
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 3:19:13 PM 
Maybe they should just go with THE University of Akron.

As for the OHIO moniker. I'm still not convinced it has done us much good. I still say you can do a lot with that U on the end to make it much more significant. Face it, we just aren't a BIG10 or SEC or PAC whatever or any othe Big 5 Conference teams that can get by with the state name. That is our real identity problem so I say why fight it...do something different. I think the U does that!!

Come to think of it, are there any small 5 conference schools or other non big boys that get by with just a State name like us? That is other than a few in the Northeast...
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 4:03:51 PM 
I'm sure they'll have uniforms with OHIO across the chest...... And Tech hidden somewhere else.....

Last Edited: 5/1/2015 4:04:36 PM by Ohio69


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 5:11:34 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
Maybe they should just go with THE University of Akron.

As for the OHIO moniker. I'm still not convinced it has done us much good. I still say you can do a lot with that U on the end to make it much more significant. Face it, we just aren't a BIG10 or SEC or PAC whatever or any othe Big 5 Conference teams that can get by with the state name. That is our real identity problem so I say why fight it...do something different. I think the U does that!!

Come to think of it, are there any small 5 conference schools or other non big boys that get by with just a State name like us? That is other than a few in the Northeast...


Outside the Northeast...Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 6:53:59 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Maybe they should just go with THE University of Akron.

As for the OHIO moniker. I'm still not convinced it has done us much good. I still say you can do a lot with that U on the end to make it much more significant. Face it, we just aren't a BIG10 or SEC or PAC whatever or any othe Big 5 Conference teams that can get by with the state name. That is our real identity problem so I say why fight it...do something different. I think the U does that!!

Come to think of it, are there any small 5 conference schools or other non big boys that get by with just a State name like us? That is other than a few in the Northeast...


Outside the Northeast...Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming



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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 7:41:52 PM 
hawaiian bobcat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
Casper71 wrote:
Maybe they should just go with THE University of Akron.

As for the OHIO moniker. I'm still not convinced it has done us much good. I still say you can do a lot with that U on the end to make it much more significant. Face it, we just aren't a BIG10 or SEC or PAC whatever or any othe Big 5 Conference teams that can get by with the state name. That is our real identity problem so I say why fight it...do something different. I think the U does that!!

Come to think of it, are there any small 5 conference schools or other non big boys that get by with just a State name like us? That is other than a few in the Northeast...


Outside the Northeast...Idaho, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming



Hawaii


there's that c/o 1971 positivity we all know and love. This is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. 99.99% of the sports media reference our school as OHIO, and 99.99% of the consumers of sports media understand the reference without confusion.

Let me flip the question around- are there any non-P5 schools named after a state that demean and belittle themselves by adding a "U" to their name? The answer is "no, of course not."


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/1/2015 9:09:59 PM 
Better yet find me another "State" that demeans them selves by using the single word of the state calling themselves by the other school's name. Not in Michigan, Arizona, Oregon or any other place


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/2/2015 11:48:32 AM 
Ohio69 wrote:
I'm sure they'll have uniforms with OHIO across the chest...... And Tech hidden somewhere else.....


Miami OHIO should do that too. Kent State with jerseys that say 4 dead in OHIO.


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   Posted: 5/2/2015 1:43:52 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Better yet find me another "State" that demeans them selves by using the single word of the state calling themselves by the other school's name. Not in Michigan, Arizona, Oregon or any other place


+1 This is the heart of the issue in the heart of it all.


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/2/2015 4:57:57 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Better yet find me another "State" that demeans them selves by using the single word of the state calling themselves by the other school's name. Not in Michigan, Arizona, Oregon or any other place


+1 This is the heart of the issue in the heart of it all.


There are very few states where the "State" school is predominant from a size/name recognition standpoint. Pennsylvania, Ohio and Louisiana are about the only three. O$U and LSU are the only two in a state capital, which I think may have something to do with O$U's attitude. I also think it really bugs them that we were here first. I don't they recognize the existence of the universe before 1870.


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   Posted: 5/2/2015 8:09:24 PM 
So there must be some rationale why they choose not to use Louisiana or Penn/Pennsylvania as the name they want to be known by. Not sure what the capital angle is. Seems all the folks using "OHIO" are everywhere from Celina to marietta and not really Columbus centric


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/2/2015 9:55:51 PM 
Ahia more often than Ohio. : ) Radio and TV broadcasts from the 50s thru 70s regularly referred to OSU as "Ohio." Part of the reason was the college division status of Ohio until the mid 60s. But the fundamental reason was the manifest destiny mentality and.desire for total hegemony in the state of Ohio by OSU--and most people in the state lusted to advance that agenda. Seems to be.unique to our state.
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/2/2015 9:57:36 PM 
Mentioning Pennsylvania in this discussion reminds me that many times when I've talked to Quaker State folks they think that OHIO like U of P is a private college. Their model is big state university is called "State" and smaller, older private university is called "Pennsylvania."


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/4/2015 6:43:41 AM 
Until this thread, I never knew Akron was a tech savy school.
But there's an article in The Record (sorry it won't link) today about how a group of Akron students is working on a portable device to measure marajuana levels,similar to a Breathalizer.
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/4/2015 9:25:06 AM 
Well, sorry I forgot all those other schools nobody gives a crap about that use only the State name. Notice they are all in the middle of nowhere with no populations and NOT exactly football powers!

As for 99.9% of the universe calling us OHIO, perimeter, you have obviously never listened to Cincinnati TV sports shows where even the OHIO guys often refer to us as Ohio U or OU.

Last Edited: 5/4/2015 9:25:58 AM by Casper71

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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/4/2015 10:40:11 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Until this thread, I never knew Akron was a tech savy school.
But there's an article in The Record (sorry it won't link) today about how a group of Akron students is working on a portable device to measure marajuana levels,similar to a Breathalizer.


I understand the basketball team is assisting in the project.
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   Posted: 5/4/2015 10:46:18 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Well, sorry I forgot all those other schools nobody gives a crap about that use only the State name. Notice they are all in the middle of nowhere with no populations and NOT exactly football powers!


To which are you referring to?
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   Posted: 5/4/2015 12:15:15 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
. . . Part of the reason was the college division status of Ohio until the mid 60s. . . .


The University Division-College Division split occurred in 1956 and Ohio was elevated to the University Division in 1961, so this wasn't a long period of time and, therefore, was not a very relevant factor in the phenomenon under discussion. I agree with the rest of your statement about the fundamental problem of "lust." ;-)


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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/4/2015 3:03:08 PM 
For what it's worth, I have received a notification from Cleveland.com on my phone that UA's President says that UA is not changing its name.
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  Message Not Read  RE: U of Akron considering name change
   Posted: 5/4/2015 3:15:43 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
For what it's worth, I have received a notification from Cleveland.com on my phone that UA's President says that UA is not changing its name.


He must not be down with OPI.
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