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Old Rocket
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  Message Not Read  Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 10:45:30 AM 
Where's the love for this team on this board?! I think they are 10-1 in conference and 19-3. Why no publicity here?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 12:18:47 PM 
Why? The common answer is that they are women instead of men. The men's team is not very good this year and the traffic here is less than half that was discussed last year. The women's team is kicking ass and having a season that the men would have wet dreams about. How much discussion is there about the women on Bobcatattack? Barely an acknowledgement that Ohio even has a team.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 1:02:29 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
Why? The common answer is that they are women instead of men. The men's team is not very good this year and the traffic here is less than half that was discussed last year. The women's team is kicking ass and having a season that the men would have wet dreams about. How much discussion is there about the women on Bobcatattack? Barely an acknowledgement that Ohio even has a team.


Wrong. There are several threads commenting on the women's team, though not as many as they deserve. Even OCF made it to a game. Say, does OCF stand for Old Cantankerous Fart???


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 1:24:07 PM 
Ugh. I remember going thru this in 07-08 when a few posters made it their mission to paint us all as sexists...and made a big push for a new board for the women's team.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 1:33:26 PM 
Kind of funny that a poster with 3 total posts complaining about lack of traffic. And it's his first post about the women.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 1:33:43 PM 
But any way, speaking of the women's team. I was looking at the schedule yesterday. The next 2 should be cake walks (sorry McKinney) to 21-3. From there, we play at 8-4 Akron....but after that, 3 home games against poor teams and a road game against 1-10 Kent.

What I'm saying is, 25-4 seems probable and 26-3 seems possible. With that, I think an at-large is very much in play. Absolutely incredible for a team that was 9-21 last year and 6-23 the year before.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 1:37:02 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
But any way, speaking of the women's team. I was looking at the schedule yesterday. The next 2 should be cake walks (sorry McKinney) to 21-3. From there, we play at 8-4 Akron....but after that, 3 home games against poor teams and a road game against 1-10 Kent.

What I'm saying is, 25-4 seems probable and 26-3 seems possible. With that, I think an at-large is very much in play. Absolutely incredible for a team that was 9-21 last year and 6-23 the year before.


I've watched the video feed a few times this year and they are fun to watch. Whatever basketball IQ we have on campus spends its full time at the women's games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 2:07:13 PM 
oldkatz wrote:
Day Tripper wrote:
Why? The common answer is that they are women instead of men. The men's team is not very good this year and the traffic here is less than half that was discussed last year. The women's team is kicking ass and having a season that the men would have wet dreams about. How much discussion is there about the women on Bobcatattack? Barely an acknowledgement that Ohio even has a team.


Wrong. There are several threads commenting on the women's team, though not as many as they deserve. Even OCF made it to a game. Say, does OCF stand for Old Cantankerous Fart???


I count seven threads in the last four pages of discussion. Wow! Don't talk about them too much or you might have more people go to their games. No major promotion from the athletic department to encourage attendance. Is Ohio afraid of success?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 2:19:05 PM 
As an Ohio alumnus, I am saddened when a team regardless of gender, has tremendous success and is pretty much ignored or marginalized by alumni and supporters of Ohio. But hey, let's keep discussing the losing men's basketball team.

Last Edited: 2/12/2015 3:15:13 PM by Day Tripper

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 2:23:17 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
oldkatz wrote:
Day Tripper wrote:
Why? The common answer is that they are women instead of men. The men's team is not very good this year and the traffic here is less than half that was discussed last year. The women's team is kicking ass and having a season that the men would have wet dreams about. How much discussion is there about the women on Bobcatattack? Barely an acknowledgement that Ohio even has a team.


Wrong. There are several threads commenting on the women's team, though not as many as they deserve. Even OCF made it to a game. Say, does OCF stand for Old Cantankerous Fart???


I count seven threads in the last four pages of discussion. Wow! Don't talk about them too much or you might have more people go to their games. No major promotion from the athletic department to encourage attendance. Is Ohio afraid of success?

I would suggest that you contact the athletic Dept folks to complain about this. There seems to be complaints about how they're run so it may not help, but it may make you feel better. Who knows- something may actually change.
I'm not sure that the issue is about sexism as much as apathy about non-major sports - male or female.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 2:37:22 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
I count seven threads in the last four pages of discussion. Wow! Don't talk about them too much or you might have more people go to their games. No major promotion from the athletic department to encourage attendance. Is Ohio afraid of success?


The athletic department has to worry about selling and filling seats at the men's games first and foremost in order to generate revenue. The women's team picked a tough year to be good because the AD had to step up all the men's efforts due to lousy play...thus it's even harder to be able to promote the women's team. If the men were winning, you could shift some attention to the women. That men's attendance is up this year is pretty shocking all things considered - there have been a ton more giveaways and promotions needed to fuel that.

Look at attendance nationally for women's basketball (http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=WBB&division=1). Unless you're a top 10 team...it's pretty poor. Heck, even UConn averages their building about half full. We rank in the upper third of D1 for women's attendance.

Rather than complaining about others that don't care, let's just sit back and enjoy watching this team on what is a magical ride. In time, others may start to get on the bandwagon.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 2:38:03 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
OUVan wrote:
Kind of funny that a poster with 3 total posts complaining about lack of traffic. And it's his first post about the women.


Of the 2930 posts that you have, how many were about successful Ohio women's teams? 33% of his are. Can you say the same?

As an Ohio alumnus, I am saddened when a team regardless of gender, has tremendous success and is pretty much ignored or marginalized by alumni and supporters of Ohio. But hey, let's keep discussing the losing men's basketball team.


Are you really trying to bring drama about this? If you want to talk about it start a friggin thread and we'll talk about it. And I'm sorry but I'm not going to apologize because my interests are in men's college basketball. I don't post in the football or volleyball forums much either. I fully support anyone whose interests aren't mine but your attempts to make anyone feel guilty about not posting about any subject is pretty darn pathetic.

And guess what? Who cares what percentage my posts are about women's basketball. His 33% still totals fewer than my total posts on the subject. Do you know what that means? It means the guy you should be complaining to is the thread starter. It's clearly his interest but he still doesn't take the time to talk about it.


And, geez, good call Andrew

Last Edited: 2/12/2015 2:38:32 PM by OUVan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 3:00:32 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
OUVan wrote:
Kind of funny that a poster with 3 total posts complaining about lack of traffic. And it's his first post about the women.


Of the 2930 posts that you have, how many were about successful Ohio women's teams? 33% of his are. Can you say the same?

As an Ohio alumnus, I am saddened when a team regardless of gender, has tremendous success and is pretty much ignored or marginalized by alumni and supporters of Ohio. But hey, let's keep discussing the losing men's basketball team.


I hope we keep discussing the men's basketball team ten fold.

When's the last time the women's team did anything to bring notoriety to Ohio athletics for the school as a whole or even themselves for that matter? If you want to complain about not getting the publicity you think they deserve, go complain to the movers and shakers in the AD. The fact of the matter is, Ohio hasn't had a winner in the women's lockeroom in quite a bit of time, so of course we turn a blind eye to them.

I'm happy the women are doing well and I hope Bolden sticks around to build an even better program, but one year of success does not sustain fan support, no matter what sport it is. It just so happens that this great team is a women's program. If they sustain the success year in, year out you will see more pub, more butts in seats at the games and more posts on this board.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 3:18:17 PM 
OUVAN,

I apologize if I upset you. I have edited my posts accordingly.

Last Edited: 2/12/2015 3:20:16 PM by Day Tripper

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 9:07:40 PM 
oldkatz wrote:
. . . Wrong. There are several threads commenting on the women's team, though not as many as they deserve. Even OCF made it to a game. Say, does OCF stand for Old Cantankerous Fart???


That would be an acceptable alternative translation of OCF. I come from a long line of cantankerous farts, and I've got them in both my maternal and paternal lines. Most them were born cantankerous farts and didn't need to get into their dotage, like you and I, to manifest that personality trait. One maternal uncle, a journalist, as were most of my mother's family, even wrote a full column on why he was not upset to be called an Old Fart. He was old at the time, but he had been a cantankerous fart since his teenage years at least.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/12/2015 9:54:49 PM 
Day Tripper wrote:
Why? The common answer is that they are women instead of men. The men's team is not very good this year and the traffic here is less than half that was discussed last year. The women's team is kicking ass and having a season that the men would have wet dreams about. How much discussion is there about the women on Bobcatattack? Barely an acknowledgement that Ohio even has a team.


YOu know.....instead of running folks here down and ensuring they will never get into womens hoops you might come on here and be excited about the product they are putting on the floor. Running us down is a bit silly in my book.

Being from a family of hoopheads my cousin was an Indiana All Star, Runner up Miss Indiana basketball and another cuz played on the Lima Bath team that went to State but i still prefer mens ball to womens. I even tried to change the lack of fundamentals and game knowledge by coaching girls grade school teams. Unfortunately, it is a different game and not quite as appealing to me. Better shooters and more attentiveness to detail but not the same game. Not going to apologize for not liking it as much. I support, I go, I yell and cheer, I like the players I know and help them with any workout they want me to run them through but it is not as exciting from the grade school levels through the pros IMHO.

I sincerely hope you are not thinking the men's fans really have wet dreams about better seasons and are really so crass as to put that up there. Not gonna win fans or friends of the program that way.

I am a hoops junkie and chances are that if I hear a ball bouncing in a gym I am gonna watch boys or girls.grade school or pro. Bottom line is the best way to get us involved and hyped is to engage us. I love mens and womens vball and talk on that board but I am not engaged with womens hoops. So get me excited instead of running the group down.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/13/2015 8:31:51 AM 
Day Tripper wrote:
OUVAN,

I apologize if I upset you. I have edited my posts accordingly.


No biggie. I never should have hit "Submit Message". I am glad the women's team is doing well. I've watched a couple of full games and some partial ones this year and they are a lot more fun to watch than the men's team. They play the game the right way. That being said I'm not even remotely close to being emotionally invested as I am with Ohio's men's team. I follow most major sports closely (sorry MLS and NASCAR) and have been a season ticket holder for MLB, NHL, NBA, college football and basketball (Maryland) at one time or another but the men's team is #1 in my interest spectrum and has been for nearly 40 years. I don't care that they aren't very good (actually I do care but it's not going to change my interest in them) they are still appointment television for me. I am sure if the women can maintain this kind of success their following will increase considerably much like the volleyball team has enjoyed. We just aren't there yet.

I mentioned this in the chat room a couple of games ago but Saul should sit Bean in the film room and have him watch film of the girls to show him what seeing the floor means.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/13/2015 11:04:21 AM 
My "complaint" on this subject is that every Saturday when there is an opportunity, there isn't a true double header for Ohio hoops. I admit that the success of the ladies has brought the idea to light for me, but the point remains the same: more needs done with scheduling to have men's/women's hoops promotion in combination. Many of our in conference rivals take the chance to do this when we're playing in their barns - CMU and Miami in the last month. Ohio should be doing the same, and when I was a student about 15 years ago, they did.

I even think it would make sense to sell a season ticket that grants men's basketball ticket holders access with one ticket to these double headers. I'd glady spend the extra dollars to do this. I understand that there's an all-sports pass that would include women's basketball, volleyball, and so on. So when I go to order football or basketball tickets, there should be something telling me to also get women's hoops tickets, or volleyball tickets.

I never question how hard the folks in OUr marketing and promotions and ticket sales are working. And I know they are getting better. That's been evident to me over the last 4-5 seasons. But I do think there are plenty of simple things that could be done (that get discussed here regularly) to get more butts in seats, and make OUr game day atmospheres even better.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/13/2015 11:40:09 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
My "complaint" on this subject is that every Saturday when there is an opportunity, there isn't a true double header for Ohio hoops. I admit that the success of the ladies has brought the idea to light for me, but the point remains the same: more needs done with scheduling to have men's/women's hoops promotion in combination. Many of our in conference rivals take the chance to do this when we're playing in their barns - CMU and Miami in the last month. Ohio should be doing the same, and when I was a student about 15 years ago, they did.

I even think it would make sense to sell a season ticket that grants men's basketball ticket holders access with one ticket to these double headers. I'd glady spend the extra dollars to do this. I understand that there's an all-sports pass that would include women's basketball, volleyball, and so on. So when I go to order football or basketball tickets, there should be something telling me to also get women's hoops tickets, or volleyball tickets.

I never question how hard the folks in OUr marketing and promotions and ticket sales are working. And I know they are getting better. That's been evident to me over the last 4-5 seasons. But I do think there are plenty of simple things that could be done (that get discussed here regularly) to get more butts in seats, and make OUr game day atmospheres even better.






I know logistically this is almost impossible, but I think conferences like the MAC should do a full-scale "double-header" schedule for men and women's. Have the guys play one night and the ladies the next night, or vice versa, on weeknights and then true double-headers on the weekend. The cost cutting for this would hopefully make enough sense that it should work.

And if you're worried about them missing classes, have an academic advisor or two travel with both teams. While one team is practicing or playing, the others are at study tables. Or you can have each attend each others games and build some camaraderie between the two teams.

I know in theory it's a silly idea, but I think it would be great if someone for once would THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. But then again, we are talking about the MAC offices here.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/13/2015 10:36:25 PM 
borna, one of your remarks in this thread surprised me a little. I have a friend who has coached both girls and boys basketball. At the college level he says that the women play much better fundamental, team basketball. The men, he says, tend to be less team-oriented and more into showboating. Each year he prefers to watch the women's NCAA tournament to the men's tournament. He tries to watch all of the women's games and just some of the men's games, depending on matchups, or teams he has a rooting interest in. Unless I misunderstand, his take is the opposite of yours.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/14/2015 12:07:04 AM 

I'll just say that I love basketball, and I love the Bobcats and I'm looking forward to Day Trippers threads throughout the remainder of this season and beyond. Lead the love DT, and let's see what happens.
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   Posted: 2/14/2015 8:31:18 AM 
I too look forward to DT leading the way and keeping us in well informed.

OCF, I think most of the things you say are true. I said women are better shooters. They see the bucket, shoot with good form and do not try to acrobatically alter or force the shot. It is agreed that the style of ball is more fundamental. I prefer College, HS and FIBA games over the NBA for the approach to the game because of the team approach. Just my likes, not an indictment of any other form of ball. What I like is not what my buddies like. I do not get the enjoyment out of the women's game as much as I do the men, 'specially at the lower levels. Some peers like seeing an athlete take over a game and not worry about the team. Some of them like watching the women. As long as the ball is bouncing it's all good. The game is bigger than each of us and there is plenty to like.


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   Posted: 2/14/2015 10:29:30 AM 
It helps they get a smaller ball.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/15/2015 4:26:33 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
My "complaint" on this subject is that every Saturday when there is an opportunity, there isn't a true double header for Ohio hoops. I admit that the success of the ladies has brought the idea to light for me, but the point remains the same: more needs done with scheduling to have men's/women's hoops promotion in combination. Many of our in conference rivals take the chance to do this when we're playing in their barns - CMU and Miami in the last month. Ohio should be doing the same, and when I was a student about 15 years ago, they did.

I even think it would make sense to sell a season ticket that grants men's basketball ticket holders access with one ticket to these double headers. I'd glady spend the extra dollars to do this. I understand that there's an all-sports pass that would include women's basketball, volleyball, and so on. So when I go to order football or basketball tickets, there should be something telling me to also get women's hoops tickets, or volleyball tickets.

I never question how hard the folks in OUr marketing and promotions and ticket sales are working. And I know they are getting better. That's been evident to me over the last 4-5 seasons. But I do think there are plenty of simple things that could be done (that get discussed here regularly) to get more butts in seats, and make OUr game day atmospheres even better.






I know it's been a while since Ohio played mens/womens double headers as a regularly scheduled league contests. I don't have access to the record books, but I bet the best women's attendance records were set during this span of play.
This is a basketball junkie's dream. Two games in one afternoon or evening. You could have a meal or social between games, meet the players and coaches. You could make it almost as big as the tailgate parties for the football team. You have to make it more than just a game. You have to make it a social event.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Bobcat Women's Team
   Posted: 2/15/2015 10:13:06 PM 
Fair enough, borna. It's just interesting the different takes on the same subject from two basketball junkies that I have a great deal of respect for.


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