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Simple reason that nobody addressed while shooting bullets at me: We do NOT have the resources to make any move (like $85 million to upgrade football like UC and others that really want to be in the mix have)! I think a better question would be this: how much would it take for Ohio to move to better conference? Obviously upgrades will need to be made to all athletic facilities, especially Peden. But how much does that cost? I'm guessing it's near $100 million or more. Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 644 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 9/30/2014 8:18:16 AM  There is another thread that has been started on the football board dealing with the same thing. Back to Top Hawaiian Bobcat General User Member Since: 1/31/2005 Location: Wailuku, HI Post Count: 334 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 9/30/2014 9:40:11 PM  I love talking about new conferences or forming a new one. I know some on this board don’t enjoy the pleasure of discussing it and practically believes that we are staying in the MAC. I do believe we are staying in the MAC but this is message board and talking in hypothetical is always interesting for those that want to participate. I don't think there is a current conference that would worth leaving the MAC. Mainly travel for the nonrevenue sports would kill our budget. I’ve thought of a list of schools that athletically if we are associated with them it would help our programs in the long term and I’ll try to make a case that it would benefit them as well. I believe it would be in Ohio’s best interest to be in a conference with not so many in state rivals. If we want a stronger conference feel it needs to have a slightly larger geographical footprint. I debated with myself if we should be in an 8 or 10 team league. I decided on an 8 team league because of my self-imposed state of Ohio rule. There are a few familiar names, I left out of my conference because the need to compete with other universities that care about athletics. I also don’t want the conference to be a MAC 2.0. I also only choose schools that compete in G5 conferences in football. If we want a high standard in football this can’t be a stepping stone league. I wouldn’t mind Ohio leaving the MAC to start a conference with these 7 other schools. Connecticut- This is P5 School no P5 conference wants. Clearly the Huskies would be the flagship of the conference. The new conference would benefit Connecticut because it would cut down on their travel cost. No more meaningless games at SMU or South Florida. Less conference games means the opportunity to play a more national schedule out of conference. They would keep old Big East rival Cincinnati and pick up new regional rivals Massachusetts and Temple. Massachusetts- The Minutemen would kill to be in the same conference as UConn. Football would be an upgrade from the MAC. They would also regain hated basketball rival Temple. All of their sports would be in the same conference and they would be afforded the opportunity to play their former A10 rivals in out of conference but not be forced into going to Charlotte or St. Louis anymore. Buffalo- I know it sounds crazy but Buffalo is the best G5 School in New York. Plus Buffalo would be a feasible location for a conference basketball tournament. The Bulls would benefit from having some closer rivals in UConn, UMass and Temple. Cincinnati- Again a P5 school not in a P5 conference. Cincinnati would be considered the best overall school in the two revenue generating sports. The city could host the conference tournament. Would keep Connecticut as a rival and would add Ohio as a natural rival. The Bearcats would also save a tremendous amount in travel. Marshall- The Herd would save a ton of money in travel and play a much more appealing schedule for their wonderful fans. Historically speaking they would be one of the top teams in football. Every conference needs a doormat in basketball. Marshall would fill that spot. Ohio is already a rival and the Temple fans and Marshall fans should hate each other in no time. Temple- The Owls would be crazy to not want to be in a conference with Cincinnati, Connecticut and Massachusetts. Already has a heated football rival with Ohio. Philadelphia would be a great place to host a conference tournament. Temple would also save on travel not having to go to Florida and Texas schools. Western Kentucky- This one was a stretch for me but I just couldn’t include another Ohio school which would have been Akron. I really wanted to include Memphis but the closest rival would have been Cincinnati seems too far for me. WKU would jump on this conference in a nano second. Ohio- True we lose Miami but we gain Cincinnati, Marshall and Temple. Our home conference schedule would be lights out for hoops and football. I don’t think we lose too much in travel because no more trips to directional Michigan and Northern Illinois. We’d be a middle of the pack team in both football and basketball which would be a nice place to start. Unfortunately there is no way Cincinnati or Connecticut would go for it, unless the trips to Florida and Texas were really starting to kill their budget. This is the kind of conference I’d want to join. This conference doesn’t exist nor will it ever. I would want the perfect fit for our program and something like this would work. It is amazing what someone can come up with 15 minutes of their lunch break. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 10/1/2014 1:18:54 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Casper71 wrote: GoCats...I tend to agree with your conclusion that O-H-I-O is in the MAC for the long run. Simple reason that nobody addressed while shooting bullets at me: We do NOT have the resources to make any move (like $85 million to upgrade football like UC and others that really want to be in the mix have)! I think a better question would be this: how much would it take for Ohio to move to better conference? Obviously upgrades will need to be made to all athletic facilities, especially Peden. But how much does that cost? I'm guessing it's near $100 million or more. The athletic facilities at Ohio aren't the biggest barrier for moving up. The Convo has always been adequate for a power conference. The issue was Peden and building a legit FBS atmosphere around the program. First the focus was to get the football and basketball programs competitive nationally. That started with registering the OHIO logo and making improvements to the budgets and then salaries. Within reason the major sports are funded adequately today. The second phase is getting the athletic budget out of the red. That means holding the line on budget spending while increasing donations, sponsorships, ticket sales ect. The student senate a couple of years ago was probing the amount of student fees going to athletics and they agreed on a continuance of the fees with the hope of eventually reducing their reliance on them. The final stage is where athletic department revenue is a surplus after all expenditures. A program where regular game tickets are $75 dollars and the money is there to pay power conference salaries. Its not so much a market or facility issue but the budget that is out of line with the power conference expectation. The budgets are near the top for the MAC. Programs that are similar to Ohio are found in the MAC. We aren't too far out of range budget wise from the average MAC school. Ohio starts to significantly distance itself from the MAC on the budget front and then its a legit power conference candidate like Cincinnati. The athletic department may never get to that point financially and until then at least with the MAC we have a conference that we can finish consistently in the top 2 or 3 in every year. A move to a conference like the Big XII and Ohio would be struggling to win. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 10/1/2014 12:02:39 PM  Uncle Wes wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Casper71 wrote: GoCats...I tend to agree with your conclusion that O-H-I-O is in the MAC for the long run. Simple reason that nobody addressed while shooting bullets at me: We do NOT have the resources to make any move (like $85 million to upgrade football like UC and others that really want to be in the mix have)! I think a better question would be this: how much would it take for Ohio to move to better conference? Obviously upgrades will need to be made to all athletic facilities, especially Peden. But how much does that cost? I'm guessing it's near $100 million or more. The athletic facilities at Ohio aren't the biggest barrier for moving up. The Convo has always been adequate for a power conference. The issue was Peden and building a legit FBS atmosphere around the program. First the focus was to get the football and basketball programs competitive nationally. That started with registering the OHIO logo and making improvements to the budgets and then salaries. Within reason the major sports are funded adequately today. The second phase is getting the athletic budget out of the red. That means holding the line on budget spending while increasing donations, sponsorships, ticket sales ect. The student senate a couple of years ago was probing the amount of student fees going to athletics and they agreed on a continuance of the fees with the hope of eventually reducing their reliance on them. The final stage is where athletic department revenue is a surplus after all expenditures. A program where regular game tickets are $75 dollars and the money is there to pay power conference salaries. The problem isn't the price of tickets. Ohio charges plenty. Other schools overcharge. The problem is the numbers. We need more people buying tickets to drive expansion and the needed revenues that would come with it. We need our own fans and alums to get behind Ohio athletics in a manner commensurate with how they just love being Bobcats and to stop giving their money to the gorilla in columbus. I'm not interested in supporting a program that charges $75/ticket. Not because I can't afford it but on general principle. Back to Top perimeterpost General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 3,165 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 10/1/2014 3:22:43 PM  64,757 Athens Co 61,778 Washington Co 36,058 Perry Co 29,380 Hocking Co 23,770 Meigs Co 15,054 Morgan Co 13,435 Vinton Co 244,232 Total pop of Athens Co + 6 adjacent counties. Our basketball program's attendance average is roughly 10% of the total population of the county the University resides in and the football program's average attendance is roughly 10% of the total population of the home county plus the 6 surrounding counties. In some ways our attendance numbers are already impressive. MY STATE. MY TEAM. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 10/2/2014 12:17:20 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Casper71 wrote: GoCats...I tend to agree with your conclusion that O-H-I-O is in the MAC for the long run. Simple reason that nobody addressed while shooting bullets at me: We do NOT have the resources to make any move (like $85 million to upgrade football like UC and others that really want to be in the mix have)! I think a better question would be this: how much would it take for Ohio to move to better conference? Obviously upgrades will need to be made to all athletic facilities, especially Peden. But how much does that cost? I'm guessing it's near $100 million or more. The athletic facilities at Ohio aren't the biggest barrier for moving up. The Convo has always been adequate for a power conference. The issue was Peden and building a legit FBS atmosphere around the program. First the focus was to get the football and basketball programs competitive nationally. That started with registering the OHIO logo and making improvements to the budgets and then salaries. Within reason the major sports are funded adequately today. The second phase is getting the athletic budget out of the red. That means holding the line on budget spending while increasing donations, sponsorships, ticket sales ect. The student senate a couple of years ago was probing the amount of student fees going to athletics and they agreed on a continuance of the fees with the hope of eventually reducing their reliance on them. The final stage is where athletic department revenue is a surplus after all expenditures. A program where regular game tickets are $75 dollars and the money is there to pay power conference salaries. Its not so much a market or facility issue but the budget that is out of line with the power conference expectation. The budgets are near the top for the MAC. Programs that are similar to Ohio are found in the MAC. We aren't too far out of range budget wise from the average MAC school. Ohio starts to significantly distance itself from the MAC on the budget front and then its a legit power conference candidate like Cincinnati. The athletic department may never get to that point financially and until then at least with the MAC we have a conference that we can finish consistently in the top 2 or 3 in every year. A move to a conference like the Big XII and Ohio would be struggling to win. Well written post, Uncle. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,952 Status: Offline     RE: 35 NIU Huskies events to air on ESPN3    Posted: 10/2/2014 1:24:31 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Casper71 wrote: GoCats...I tend to agree with your conclusion that O-H-I-O is in the MAC for the long run. Simple reason that nobody addressed while shooting bullets at me: We do NOT have the resources to make any move (like $85 million to upgrade football like UC and others that really want to be in the mix have)! I think a better question would be this: how much would it take for Ohio to move to better conference? Obviously upgrades will need to be made to all athletic facilities, especially Peden. But how much does that cost? I'm guessing it's near $100 million or more. The athletic facilities at Ohio aren't the biggest barrier for moving up. The Convo has always been adequate for a power conference. The issue was Peden and building a legit FBS atmosphere around the program. First the focus was to get the football and basketball programs competitive nationally. That started with registering the OHIO logo and making improvements to the budgets and then salaries. Within reason the major sports are funded adequately today. The second phase is getting the athletic budget out of the red. That means holding the line on budget spending while increasing donations, sponsorships, ticket sales ect. The student senate a couple of years ago was probing the amount of student fees going to athletics and they agreed on a continuance of the fees with the hope of eventually reducing their reliance on them. The final stage is where athletic department revenue is a surplus after all expenditures. A program where regular game tickets are $75 dollars and the money is there to pay power conference salaries. The problem isn't the price of tickets. Ohio charges plenty. Other schools overcharge. The problem is the numbers. We need more people buying tickets to drive expansion and the needed revenues that would come with it. We need our own fans and alums to get behind Ohio athletics in a manner commensurate with how they just love being Bobcats and to stop giving their money to the gorilla in columbus. I'm not interested in supporting a program that charges $75/ticket. Not because I can't afford it but on general principle. I'm not saying the price of the tickets is a problem. Its the level of demand that has to be there to be attractive for a move to a power conference. In my opinion $45 dollar tickets for Parent's weekends is about as far as it can go before its serious over charging. My point is that the program has to become less reliant on student fees before it can even think about joining a power conference. The budget is sitting at 27.3 million of which revenue is 6.9 million with a subsidy of 74.7%. Basketball expenditure is 3.2 million and optimistically with naming rights for the Convo, increased marketing, 10,000 a game for basketball we could pull in another 3.2 million in revenue. Scholarships cost 6.9 million and I have heard a major donor wants to step up and endow scholarships for the athletic department. Assuming this growth happens that would put Ohio at a budget of 37.4 million with a student subsidy of 54.5%. Note these numbers are baselined off of current expenditures but do not reflect future cost adjustments. For comparison Cincinnati is sitting at about 46 million in budget. They are already on that third level where they are bringing in excessive revenue which is why they are a favorite for the Big XII or ACC. Its very hard to imagine Ohio getting to that level of support. With the scholarships and increased marketing revenue I'm talking about it will be enough to make the university community happy. For those who want increased support and success of athletics they'll have what they want. To those who question that athletics is a drain on resources corporate sponsorships will attest to athletics financial sustainability. Then to those who believe reliance on student fees are too high endowing the athletic scholarships and reducing the reliance on student fees will make them happy. If we left the MAC for the Big XII and started paying 3 million for coaching salaries while struggling with .500 seasons it would tick a lot of people off. That is why I think the MAC situation maximized is the way to go. Be the preeminent school of the MAC and rack up the MAC championships instead of selling out for the power conference. 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