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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 4:33:16 PM 
I just received mine in the mail today and was looking at an attendance figure for men's basketball and football. We only averaged 1913 students in basketball and 5621 in football. Those were highs for the period from 2008 to last season. Football is decent, but the hoop number is very low. I'm shocked by that number.
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   Posted: 9/4/2014 4:36:34 PM 
I don't have access from my current situation, but a percentage of games happened during a break and I doubt they count the band.
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giacomo
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   Posted: 9/4/2014 5:05:09 PM 
That is certainly a factor. It's still low.
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OU_Country
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 7:52:41 PM 
Not that we should be shooting this low, but consider that 1900+ on average in basketball for ALL FANS last year would have been better than BG, Central, EMU, Miami, and NIU.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 8:15:54 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
I don't have access from my current situation, but a percentage of games happened during a break and I doubt they count the band.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 9:11:02 PM 
As a student the football games have been much more fun to attend than bball. I don't know why but I remember visiting 5 years ago and having a blast at bball games but now by comparison it's awful. I still have fun but it isn't the same. What's worrying is that I don't know why.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 9:47:11 PM 
Last year the following home games were played when students were on break-

Sat 11/30 Evansville (Thanksgiving weekend)
Sat 12/14 Alabama A&M (dorms closed at noon for winter break)
Wed 12/18 UMass (winter break)
Mon 12/30 Longwood (winter break)
Sat 3/1 Kent State (dorms close at noon for spring break)

Ohio played 21 home games, 5 were possibly impacted by students not on campus. I'd really like to see attendance numbers per game. Our lowest attendance numbers overall were for the CIT games, I'm guessing student turnout was low for those as well.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/4/2014 11:34:30 PM 
1900 is pretty strong. Football always has a much much larger student attendance. Tough to say why, but that's the way it is.
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   Posted: 9/4/2014 11:59:26 PM 
the123kid wrote:
1900 is pretty strong. Football always has a much much larger student attendance. Tough to say why, but that's the way it is.
Football in general draws much better than hoops. I'd guess if you compared those numbers to overall total attendance, they'd be similar in proportion. Popularity of football as a sport, ease of following just a single game a week, fewer opportunities to go, etc. probably all play into it.

Honestly, while we should always be aiming to draw more, I'm not disappointed by either of those numbers. Some people don't like sports and will never/rarely go to such events. Some people will invariably be busy or out of town who want to go, and some will have other plans.

There were ~22,600 total students at the Athens campus and of those, ~17,375 were undergrad (grad students/PHD candidates are probably less likely to attend, though some surely do). So at an average football game, roughly a quarter of the student population attended, or about a third of the undergrad population. For hoops, it is in the 8-10% range.

As mentioned, hoops suffers from break games when using an average -- I'd like to see an average for when classes are in session. Still, those seem to me like pretty solid portions of the student body to be in one place in one time as averages and not peak/typical numbers (when you consider midweek football and winter break basketball).
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/5/2014 8:22:21 AM 
Well the basketball crowd stays until the end...

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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/5/2014 10:51:30 AM 

TheBobcatBandit wrote:
As a student the football games have been much more fun to attend than bball. I don't know why but I remember visiting 5 years ago and having a blast at bball games but now by comparison it's awful. I still have fun but it isn't the same. What's worrying is that I don't know why.

 

This is a curious discussion point for me.  Personally, I consider basketball to be far more entertaining to watch.  Faster game, far fewer stoppages in play, shorter game times - these are all factors that play into it for me.  Football season for me, is simply a great excuse to come to Athens to tailgate and hangout, and enjoy the fall days.  The games themselves, quite honestly, I could leave after the third quarter every week.  Part of it is a game that lasts nearly 4 hours anymore, and part of it is sitting on metal bleachers for that length of time.

I've always said that if college hoops had tailgating weather that it would be superior to college football in every way, but football has tailgating and fantastic fall weather than basketball season can't compete with in most parts of the country.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/5/2014 11:39:58 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
I don't have access from my current situation, but a percentage of games happened during a break and I doubt they count the band.


The band counts in attendance figures.  Anyone in the arena counts as a spectator.
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   Posted: 9/5/2014 2:18:43 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
TheBobcatBandit wrote:
As a student the football games have been much more fun to attend than bball. I don't know why but I remember visiting 5 years ago and having a blast at bball games but now by comparison it's awful. I still have fun but it isn't the same. What's worrying is that I don't know why.

This is a curious discussion point for me. Personally, I consider basketball to be far more entertaining to watch. Faster game, far fewer stoppages in play, shorter game times - these are all factors that play into it for me. Football season for me, is simply a great excuse to come to Athens to tailgate and hangout, and enjoy the fall days. The games themselves, quite honestly, I could leave after the third quarter every week. Part of it is a game that lasts nearly 4 hours anymore, and part of it is sitting on metal bleachers for that length of time.
I've always said that if college hoops had tailgating weather that it would be superior to college football in every way, but football has tailgating and fantastic fall weather than basketball season can't compete with in most parts of the country.


I couldn't agree more. I used to have the same feeling and liked bball way more but recently it hasn't been the same. Last year I had a blast at the first couple football games The Marshall and North Texas game especially. Bball had some good ones as well. Toledo Akron and Miami were all fun but the rest of them were kinda bland to me. I hope this changes maybe we just need to have a better year. I did have a sour taste in my mouth for a long time after that Akron OT lost that might have played a factor.
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JSF
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/5/2014 8:13:39 PM 
I think you mean it was Jim Christian's fault.

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catfan28
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/6/2014 10:33:54 AM 
CIT and break games hurt the average big time. The break games have maybe 100 students at best there...that may be generous for the December ones.
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   Posted: 9/7/2014 9:10:22 AM 
How many students do you guys think attend? And how many seats do you think there are in their bleachers and the sections behind?
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giacomo
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   Posted: 9/7/2014 1:26:01 PM 
I think student attendance is an issue at most places. I read an article that said numbers were down everywhere. Iowa went as far as to have a scholarship lottery if a student bought a season ticket package.
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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  RE: Athletics Annual Report
   Posted: 9/8/2014 1:00:42 AM 
If we avg'd 1900 students per hoop contest, what low numbers must other MAC teams have been seeing. I mean EMU, redhawk and the like...

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   Posted: 9/8/2014 8:44:39 AM 
Obviously, there is an accelerating trend away from all big school athletics being about the University and it's students and more about public consumption (dare I say, TV) and generating revenue. The start times, the date shuffling, the endless media timeouts.

Athletic contests used to be a special campus event and something that brought people together. It is no longer special in that way. Once upon a time, games always started at 1 and were always played on Wednesday and Saturday. It was part of the academic calendar. Students were part of the consideration and a full part of the equation. That is long, long, gone and for the worse, I think. Students are certainly smart enough to realize that its no longer about them and their classmates (the athletes).
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   Posted: 9/8/2014 10:19:30 AM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
Obviously, there is an accelerating trend away from all big school athletics being about the University and it's students and more about public consumption (dare I say, TV) and generating revenue. The start times, the date shuffling, the endless media timeouts.

Athletic contests used to be a special campus event and something that brought people together. It is no longer special in that way. Once upon a time, games always started at 1 and were always played on Wednesday and Saturday. It was part of the academic calendar. Students were part of the consideration and a full part of the equation. That is long, long, gone and for the worse, I think. Students are certainly smart enough to realize that its no longer about them and their classmates (the athletes).


And how would you justify paying for college athletics if it was to be set up like this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but if it went to your Utopia.....the money issues would be even worse.
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   Posted: 9/8/2014 3:00:47 PM 
the123kid wrote:
Bobcatbob wrote:
Obviously, there is an accelerating trend away from all big school athletics being about the University and it's students and more about public consumption (dare I say, TV) and generating revenue. The start times, the date shuffling, the endless media timeouts.

Athletic contests used to be a special campus event and something that brought people together. It is no longer special in that way. Once upon a time, games always started at 1 and were always played on Wednesday and Saturday. It was part of the academic calendar. Students were part of the consideration and a full part of the equation. That is long, long, gone and for the worse, I think. Students are certainly smart enough to realize that its no longer about them and their classmates (the athletes).


And how would you justify paying for college athletics if it was to be set up like this? I'm not saying you're wrong, but if it went to your Utopia.....the money issues would be even worse.


While this might be a good point, I still feel like the conference might be able do better with scheduling to account for winter and spring breaks.
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   Posted: 9/8/2014 3:02:49 PM 
I think you hit the nail on the head yourself. College athletics is (was, anyway) for the benefit of those in college. The justification to pay for it in its pure form is that it's an extracurricular, student activity just like the Glee Club or the Marching Band for that matter. (Consider Cross Country before you tell me how crazy that is.)

I don't want to come like some Pollyanna here. I know this is ridiculous now but the question was why aren't students as interested in the Big 2 sports now? My answer is because they are no longer as invested in the activity as they once were. That's all.
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   Posted: 9/9/2014 12:15:55 AM 
Bobcatbob wrote:
I know this is ridiculous now but the question was why aren't students as interested in the Big 2 sports now? My answer is because they are no longer as invested in the activity as they once were. That's all.


If you look at the chart, our student attendance keeps going up though. I don't think anyone's saying kids aren't as interested in sports...just that they thought the MBB number would be higher. But when you consider all the games over break it doesn't shock me much at all.
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   Posted: 9/9/2014 1:14:21 AM 
Isn't 1900 about 10% of the student population? What does Gam Hall have -- about 350-400 residents? I would think 35-40 of those students at every game is actually a decent turnout for students -- especially when they don't choose Ohio for the sports like some other students do.

I've always thought that contests that encourage Greens, Halls, Frats, Sororities, Clubs, etc. to compete against each other for season-long attendance to win a pizza party/concert/whatever would really encourage students to attend games.
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   Posted: 9/9/2014 12:19:43 PM 
The student attendance numbers say more about scheduling than anything. As I recall, way back when OU was ALWAYS going to tournaments in December and had very few home games. So, my question to the Athletic Department is: If you know the students aren't going to be there why do you schedule all these home games in December? I have to admit, now I seldom even consider going to a December home game becasue of the lack of "atmosphere".
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