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Topic: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

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OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/28/2014 7:39:45 PM

Found this pretty crazy. Sounds like the kid was benched after he was more dedicated to music over basketball (which reminded me of Stevie Fresh)
Considering that the team was losing and he is now a D-1 high jumper, you gotta think he was a decent player... That said, if you aren't fully committed to the team sometimes it doesn't matter how talented you are...

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/0...

Also worth noting: the coach being sued is now an assistant at Toledo. Also, our new Michigan State transfer Kenny Kaminski was on this team.

Last Edited: 8/28/2014 7:40:16 PM by The Optimist

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/28/2014 7:43:11 PM

If you are 6-6 but skip practice to go sing songs, do you deserve to start over the 5-11 kid who is in the gym 2x a day? Who gets to make that call?

Last Edited: 8/28/2014 7:43:26 PM by The Optimist

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/28/2014 9:14:17 PM

Their claims are all based on violations of Constitutional rights, not on loss of scholarship opportunities. So it comes down to whether the coach as a government official (i.e., a supervisory employee of a government entity) violated the school's policies and practices. He might have, if he didn't treat the kid similarly to the way the school treats other kids in the same circumstances. The most the school can lose on this is $75,000 (the complaint asks for "up to $25,000" for each of the three counts); the school could easily spend that much in legal fees defending the suit. This will probably settle for a lot less money and the school establishing a social media policy.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/28/2014 9:18:55 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Their claims are all based on violations of Constitutional rights, not on loss of scholarship opportunities. So it comes down to whether the coach as a government official (i.e., a supervisory employee of a government entity) violated the school's policies and practices. He might have, if he didn't treat the kid similarly to the way the school treats other kids in the same circumstances. The most the school can lose on this is $75,000 (the complaint asks for "up to $25,000" for each of the three counts); the school could easily spend that much in legal fees defending the suit. This will probably settle for a lot less money and the school establishing a social media policy.

This school has/will spend millions on legal fees in a lawsuit with their former Superintendent, so they are experienced. This is white, wealthy, suburban, idiot, parents doing what they do. Welcome to Medina! The place where they have $400,000 homes, but complain constantly about paying taxes to support their schools.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 7:57:13 AM

The Optimist wrote:

If you are 6-6 but skip practice to go sing songs, do you deserve to start over the 5-11 kid who is in the gym 2x a day? Who gets to make that call?

I'd give the 5'11" kid PT any day over that clown. I don't care how talented or athletic you are, you have to put in the work. That's the head coach's decision.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 8:02:54 AM

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The most the school can lose on this is $75,000 (the complaint asks for "up to $25,000" for each of the three counts); the school could easily spend that much in legal fees defending the suit.

Actually, it's "in excess of $25,000" for each count, but that doesn't mean anything. Ohio law lets you say, "my damages are in excess of $25,000" instead of saying what your damages are, even if your damages aren't in excess of $25,000.

And that's where I see this thing ultimately failing. Even if you can get a judge to allow you to present a claim for getting kicked off the basketball team (questionable, but I've seen dumber theories make it past dismissal pleadings), what is that worth? He'd have to show he was a D-1 caliber player who didn't get a scholarship because he couldn't play for his high school team. That's a little speculative. Plus, if he is now a D-1 scholarship track athlete, what is he out?

Methinks the lawyer is either (a) bored and needed to gin up some work, or (b) mommy or daddy are big clients and lawyer wants to keep them happy.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 9:14:55 AM

You want to be a well rounded kid and be in a musical/play and play varsity basketball?

No f-ing way kiddo. We can't allow that.

I'm parking your arse on the bench. Sue me if you want to.

Last Edited: 8/29/2014 9:15:13 AM by Ohio69

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 10:04:00 AM

What's the statute of limitations? Can I sue for not getting to play? I mean, I wasn't on the team, but that's no excuse.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 11:28:57 AM

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Pataskala wrote:

The most the school can lose on this is $75,000 (the complaint asks for "up to $25,000" for each of the three counts); the school could easily spend that much in legal fees defending the suit.

Actually, it's "in excess of $25,000" for each count, but that doesn't mean anything. Ohio law lets you say, "my damages are in excess of $25,000" instead of saying what your damages are, even if your damages aren't in excess of $25,000.

And that's where I see this thing ultimately failing. Even if you can get a judge to allow you to present a claim for getting kicked off the basketball team (questionable, but I've seen dumber theories make it past dismissal pleadings), what is that worth? He'd have to show he was a D-1 caliber player who didn't get a scholarship because he couldn't play for his high school team. That's a little speculative. Plus, if he is now a D-1 scholarship track athlete, what is he out?

Methinks the lawyer is either (a) bored and needed to gin up some work, or (b) mommy or daddy are big clients and lawyer wants to keep them happy.

The complaint copy they had on line was hard to read, so you're right about the amount. This sounds like the family is trying to make a point and maybe trying to soothe over the kid's (or their own) hurt feelings. They obviously want to force the school to have a social media policy; otherwise it wouldn't be in the complaint. The money damages are for the hurt feelings. If the area is as affluent as some have said, they may have the dough to go forward with it. I don't think they have much chance of winning. But the school will likely not want to take the chance of losing.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 11:29:21 AM

This is a moment when I wish a judge would laugh someone out of the court room for even pursuing such nonsense.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 12:50:23 PM

Yeah, I think the school district should forgo books and facilities and teacher salaries because this whiny little bitch got benched. Makes perfect sense.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 1:21:04 PM

Loved in the comments section of that article where a parent basically says that karma is a b**** because this kid's father had benched her son.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 1:21:26 PM

ohio9704 wrote:

Welcome to Medina! The place where they have $400,000 homes, but complain constantly about paying taxes to support their schools.

You are referring more to Medina Township than Medina proper. There are many houses in the City of Medina that are in the $50 - $100 K range, as well as a fair amount of Section 8 housing for a city it's size.

Edit..

Market value for his residence in 2010 was $225,380 and the tax assessment in 2013 was $4,339.

Last Edited: 8/29/2014 1:30:19 PM by MedinaCat

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 2:18:37 PM

Maybe when Chase finally grows up he'll realize that he should have sued his parents, not his school, for indulging his self pity instead of kicking him the a%$ to go after what he claims to want.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 8/29/2014 3:22:14 PM

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You want to be a well rounded kid and be in a musical/play and play varsity basketball?

No f-ing way kiddo. We can't allow that.

I'm parking your arse on the bench. Sue me if you want to.

I see that view point. My pops lettered 4years in 4 sports (baseball and track at the same time) played in the school dance band and orchestra,participated and had the lead in a couple of school plays, National Honor Society and a number of other activites in addition to getting his Eagle Scout and Order of the Arrow and marching in a Nationally competitvet Drum and Bugle Corps.

One of my patients that was a classmate of his came in with the yearbook and articles from the papers and told me things I had never heard about him. I asked how the band director and the coaches of the sports dealt with that. He told me that Pops had played a baseball sectional game and ran a track meet at a local High School that hosted both on the same day and that the coaches and extra curriculars just worked it out somehow.

Not sure that would happen these days. I know my Band Director told me "sports or band son, choose....." and my Scoutmaster told me "sports or scouts son ...choose" My pops was livid .. I remember him going toe to toe with both to no avail. ....now I understand why he was so incensed.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/1/2014 4:50:31 PM

^^^^^

That's really upsetting and a sign of adults putting themselves ahead of children. Educators, coaches, etc. should be doing what they can to open doors, not close them. I'm fine with encouraging someone to specialize but not with demanding it. Tell them why you think they should do a particular thing and give the possible consequences of either decision and let them make the choice. It's their life and you're there for them!

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/1/2014 10:41:56 PM

I agree with what JSF said in the last post. I'm also with him on his earlier post asking about the statute of limitations. My high school track coach miscast me as a miler, which I never had the lungs for. However, in practice I was running district qualifying times in the 220 yard dash. Yet, I never ran a 220 in a meet. Is it too late for me to sue the school? I want justice!

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 11:46:59 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree with what JSF said in the last post. I'm also with him on his earlier post asking about the statute of limitations. My high school track coach miscast me as a miler, which I never had the lungs for. However, in practice I was running district qualifying times in the 220 yard dash. Yet, I never ran a 220 in a meet. Is it too late for me to sue the school? I want justice!

How damn old are you????? 220yd dash???? ;-)

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 12:18:22 PM

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OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree with what JSF said in the last post. I'm also with him on his earlier post asking about the statute of limitations. My high school track coach miscast me as a miler, which I never had the lungs for. However, in practice I was running district qualifying times in the 220 yard dash. Yet, I never ran a 220 in a meet. Is it too late for me to sue the school? I want justice!

How damn old are you????? 220yd dash???? ;-)

when do you think the change came? Hint .....anyone who graduated before the Bicentennial ran yards not meters. Not really ancient history but there are many still under 60 who will permenently be on record boards with the yard equivalent records in half/mile/2m and sprints.

FOr the record it was to bring HS in line with the NCAA et al who had switched. Why they chose 1600 and 3200 instead of the 1500 and 3000 that the rest of the world uses is beyond me. 2 extra lines to paint on the track. Trivia. 1976 was the year the Feds mandated the US switch to the metric system. That panned out .....

Last Edited: 9/2/2014 12:24:32 PM by bornacatfan

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 1:08:50 PM

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BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree with what JSF said in the last post. I'm also with him on his earlier post asking about the statute of limitations. My high school track coach miscast me as a miler, which I never had the lungs for. However, in practice I was running district qualifying times in the 220 yard dash. Yet, I never ran a 220 in a meet. Is it too late for me to sue the school? I want justice!

How damn old are you????? 220yd dash???? ;-)

when do you think the change came? Hint .....anyone who graduated before the Bicentennial ran yards not meters. Not really ancient history but there are many still under 60 who will permenently be on record boards with the yard equivalent records in half/mile/2m and sprints.

FOr the record it was to bring HS in line with the NCAA et al who had switched. Why they chose 1600 and 3200 instead of the 1500 and 3000 that the rest of the world uses is beyond me. 2 extra lines to paint on the track. Trivia. 1976 was the year the Feds mandated the US switch to the metric system. That panned out .....

I'm well aware of the change....It's called humor, notice I put a little winky face ;-) with the remark, to discern from a serious attempt at being an ass, to trying to have a little humor.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 9:52:58 PM

Borna: "Not sure that would happen these days. I know my Band Director told me "sports or band son, choose....." and my Scoutmaster told me "sports or scouts son ...choose" My pops was livid .. I remember him going toe to toe with both to no avail. ....now I understand why he was so incensed."

JSF: "That's really upsetting and a sign of adults putting themselves ahead of children. Educators, coaches, etc. should be doing what they can to open doors, not close them. I'm fine with encouraging someone to specialize but not with demanding it. Tell them why you think they should do a particular thing and give the possible consequences of either decision and let them make the choice. It's their life and you're there for them!"

Well - won't be that last tough choices they have to make in their lives - that's called, well, "life".

I had similar experiences. Band/Basketball. Baseball/Tennis. Girls/Band-Basketball-Baseball-Tennis. A job/Anything else. For me it came down to what made the most sense for me, and the school.

I was a gifted (boat ton lifetime of practice included here) trumpet/cornet player - and a very important cog in the success of our multi-award winning H.S. music/band program - including coaching/mentoring those younger/less talented than me. I could have been the #7 or #8 guy on the H.S. basketball team - but to me I was clearly more valuable to the music program - so I played intramural basketball on Saturday mornings instead (lead league in scoring Junior & Senior years - by a mile - team was champs those two years also - it was fun).

I grew up in a baseball family. I still LOVE baseball. My freshman year (1973) they began a tennis team at our H.S. I picked up a racket my freshman year and tried out as I was not going to make Varsity baseball. Found out I had a knack for this tennis thing. The next three years I was varsity tennis - 1st doubles with same partner for 3 years (also ex-baseball player) - never a loss at home, in our league, or in our county. I NEVER enjoyed tennis as much as I LOVED baseball - but again - was the best decision for all involved. 3 years league championships, etc.

You can make choices and pursue various sports or other activities/interests concurrently - in H.S. and throughout life. Just can't fully "dedicate/commit" yourself to "excellence" with too many. That's life. Music, theater, Hunting, Chess, etc., etc. can all be pursued, enjoyed, and increase your skill level/ability. "Renaissance" men/women are and become just such because they "choose" to be.

Last Edited: 9/2/2014 10:16:46 PM by RSBobcat

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 10:34:17 PM

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Borna: "Not sure that would happen these days. I know my Band Director told me "sports or band son, choose....." and my Scoutmaster told me "sports or scouts son ...choose" My pops was livid .. I remember him going toe to toe with both to no avail. ....now I understand why he was so incensed."

JSF: "That's really upsetting and a sign of adults putting themselves ahead of children. Educators, coaches, etc. should be doing what they can to open doors, not close them. I'm fine with encouraging someone to specialize but not with demanding it. Tell them why you think they should do a particular thing and give the possible consequences of either decision and let them make the choice. It's their life and you're there for them!"

Well - won't be that last tough choices they have to make in their lives - that's called, well, "life".

I had similar experiences. Band/Basketball. Baseball/Tennis. Girls/Band-Basketball-Baseball-Tennis. A job/Anything else. For me it came down to what made the most sense for me, and the school.

I was a gifted (boat ton lifetime of practice included here) trumpet/cornet player - and a very important cog in the success of our multi-award winning H.S. music/band program - including coaching/mentoring those younger/less talented than me. I could have been the #7 or #8 guy on the H.S. basketball team - but to me I was clearly more valuable to the music program - so I played intramural basketball on Saturday mornings instead (lead league in scoring Junior & Senior years - by a mile - team was champs those two years also - it was fun).

I grew up in a baseball family. I still LOVE baseball. My freshman year (1973) they began a tennis team at our H.S. I picked up a racket my freshman year and tried out as I was not going to make Varsity baseball. Found out I had a knack for this tennis thing. The next three years I was varsity tennis - 1st doubles with same partner for 3 years (also ex-baseball player) - never a loss at home, in our league, or in our county. I NEVER enjoyed tennis as much as I LOVED baseball - but again - was the best decision for all involved. 3 years league championships, etc.

You can make choices and pursue various sports or other activities/interests concurrently - in H.S. and throughout life. Just can't fully "dedicate/commit" yourself to "excellence" with too many. That's life. Music, theater, Hunting, Chess, etc., etc. can all be pursued, enjoyed, and increase your skill level/ability. "Renaissance" men/women are and become just such because they "choose" to be.

I appreciate your devotion and trying as many things as possible, people who sample the lot in life are people who are not afraid to take chances.

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 11:02:23 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

I appreciate your devotion and trying as many things as possible, people who sample the lot in life are people who are not afraid to take chances.

Thanks. Reading myself again I now realize have to figure out that golf/work choice dilemma.......

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RE: OT - Former high school player sues district, coach and AD over lack of PT

Posted: 9/2/2014 11:09:20 PM

RSBobcat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

I appreciate your devotion and trying as many things as possible, people who sample the lot in life are people who are not afraid to take chances.

Thanks. Reading myself again I now realize have to figure out that golf/work choice dilemma.......

LMAO! You figure that one out let the rest of us know.

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