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Topic: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Topic: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

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Donuts
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DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/4/2014 6:48:52 PM

Can't say I expected to see that (and I don't know if it is official yet), but that's pretty cool to play at that level.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/4/2014 7:12:06 PM

http://www.basketblog.gr/index.php?option=com_content&...>
"Seems that coach Dusko Ivanovic wanted a passive PG to run his fast pace offense"

I don't describe DJ's style as "passive" but I certainly see why a coach would want DJ running point!

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/4/2014 7:18:22 PM

Typo of "passing"?

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 9:37:18 AM

JSF wrote:

Typo of "passing"?

Yep, if you read the article there is a lot of "English not my first language" going on.

"...as now it will add a floor general who can involve players like Teletovic, Νurkic or Dedovic in the team's offense and pass the ball to them in their hot spots at the right moment."

So how does D.J. qualify to play on their National Team?

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:06:15 AM

OUVan wrote:

JSF wrote:

Typo of "passing"?

I didn't know he was Bosnian.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:10:04 AM

OUVan wrote:

JSF wrote:

Typo of "passing"?

Somebody will buy him a passport. There's a good amount of that in the EU, and not just for athletes. Malta, among other nations, makes solid money by allowing high income individuals buy their way into EU citizenship.

Might make a trip to Ukraine worthwhile next summer.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:15:07 AM

Bosnia is not in the EU. Does not make sense for him gaining a Bosnian passport in helping him become a EU player. Most countries only allow 2-3 non EU players per team. I am actaully not sure why he is doing this, but maybe the exposure this summer can land him a bigger contract.

FYI Ukraine is not in the EU either.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:33:41 AM

He's doing it for experience probably. Playing against nba players with at least the at least one who is on the Bosnian team.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:41:07 AM

My Greek friend here tried to explain this to me and I will try to understand it more carefully (I'm still in Greece btw). In summary, it appears this is a common strategy and gives him some advantage in getting on a roster based on how many players of different nationalities each team may have. My friend tells me the rumor is that if Acie Law does not recover from injury, Olympiacos is rumored to be interested in acquiring DJ. The Greek pro leagues are extremely flawed in that you buy your teams (no draft) and the richest teams win in soccer and basketball every year. DJs current team is a team that's in the Top 4 annually in payroll and performance, but Pianathiacos (sp) and Olympiacos are the two top dogs in every sport, literally every year. DJ could up his exposure and income by landing on this team. Whether that's his strategy, nobody is sure. But he's making a name for himself here in Greece and has quickly become very popular.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 11:29:57 AM

Chicken George wrote:

I would say it's safe to say that most Euro sports are "flawed" from the angle that they can buy the best players by simply offering a bid that can't be refused. Do a little research on the European Football Transfer Window and you'll see this in more detail.

I'm glad to see he's making a name for himself. I really felt he was very close to being NBA ready last year. I hope it happens for him in the future. Worst case, he's getting to travel and experience Europe while getting paid to do so.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 2:39:27 PM

Baseball here is the same way. New York buys all the best players. I don't mind it as much in Europe just by the fact that when you combine all the top teams from each country and combine them into one European league it makes for good competition with a wide variety of players

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 4:01:50 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Baseball here is the same way. New York buys all the best players. I don't mind it as much in Europe just by the fact that when you combine all the top teams from each country and combine them into one European league it makes for good competition with a wide variety of players

Doesn't seem to be working for them lately, with one World Series title in the last 13 years. In the meantime, Boston, St Louis, and San Francisco have all won multiple titles. There are 7 teams this year with a payroll over $150 million, and the Yankees are over $30 million behind the dodgers in the payroll department. Not to get too sidetracked into baseball, but here's the current divisional leaders and their payroll rank:

Toronto: 10
Detroit: 5
Oakland: 25
Atlanta: 14
Milwaukee: 16
San Francisco: 7

Sounds like Euro hoops teams that buy all the talent also win the titles. Looking at stuff like this, I'm not so sure baseball is the same.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 4:28:52 PM

historically speaking. not every year it pans out but they're by far the most successful team in baseball history and why? because of the money they have. They aren't the only ones but they're the most notable.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:20:28 PM

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

In the past 20 years (since baseball implemented several behind the scenes competitive balance structures), baseball has had better parity than the NFL, NBA, or NHL...No matter how you slice it. The common thought that baseball is all about the payroll is out-dated and inaccurate.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 10:48:12 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Yep - and that's a FACT:

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2...

And why it's been pretty good over the years being a Reds fan. Farm/minor league scouting/development has always been a strength of this small market MLB franchise.

Last Edited: 6/5/2014 10:48:43 PM by RSBobcat

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/5/2014 11:01:58 PM

100%Cat wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

Basketball is so much more star-driven than baseball. One star basketball player can have a direct hand in 50% of the offense or more, while the best hitter can only contribute at most 14% of the time. Even a pitcher in the playoffs can only realistically throw around 25% of the innings. This is why you rarely see major upsets in the NBA playoffs.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/6/2014 8:35:20 AM

Donuts wrote:

It's also why there aren't wild fluctuations in the standings from year to year. Worst-to-first stories (or vice versa) in MLB, NFL and the NHL are much more common than in the NBA. If it happens in the NBA it almost always has to do with a major injury to a star player.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/6/2014 8:35:52 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

My sentiments exactly.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/8/2014 12:11:52 AM

For those of you interested, I got a bit of "unofficial" clarification on my last night in Greece. Each European team is allowed an unlimited number of European citizens, but a limited number of non-European players in each countries leagues--something like 4 per team. Most of the top teams in Greece for example, save those spots for big-men, of which there is a shortage, as well as top flight players. DJ is consider a very good player in Greece, but not a super star. Greece for example does not permit a player such as DJ for example, to become a Greek citizen very easily, while Bosnia does. By getting Bosnian citizenship, he would have a better opportunity for making the roster of a top team by being a Europena citizen and hence not taking one of the 4 team spots saved for non-European players. So in this instance, if he gains citizenship he would have a much better shot of getting picked up by Olympiacos seeing as though they typically save those 4 non-European spots for the power forwards/centers that Greece does not have many of. He would alwasy potentially make over double the money he made for playing for smaller team (PAOK) like he played for last year. My friend guessed that probably made no more than $75,000 US Dollars playing for PAOK, but could make upwards of $200-$250,000 for a team like Olympiacos (his guess). He would however be obligated to play for the Bosnian National Team, which my friend said is not very good, in the European Championship Tournaments. There are bascially two seasons in Europe--each countries league and then the European League/Championships amongst each country.

This is what I understood to be true. DJ simply trying to make himself more marketable to the top European teams by being a European Citizen.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/8/2014 2:37:32 AM

There are worse obligations to have than playing in the European Championships.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/8/2014 3:02:51 AM

I thought I saw that DJ made $100,000 playing for PAOK

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/11/2014 2:11:01 PM

100%Cat wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

TheBobcatBandit wrote:

My sentiments exactly.

About the major league payroll? Sort of. About the amount of money teams can spend taking chances on Dominican children or Cuban escapees? Not at all.

The Yankees and Red Sox can afford 99 mistakes on 16-year-old Dominican players as long as the 100th one becomes a star. The Rays or Astros absolutely cannot.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/12/2014 8:34:13 AM

Tim Burke wrote:

Wrong Tim. Teams are limited by an international free agent spending pool annually, that is set in reverse order of the standings. Last year, the Astros could spend 4.9 mil while the Yankees could only spend 1.8 mil.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/international-bonus-pools-for-2013-14/

This is a perfect example of the behind the scenes structures that baseball has in place to promote competitive balance, and they're doing so more successfully than any other league. Most fans do not dig into the details enough to see it. The deck is stacked completely AGAINST big market teams in most every way except for free agents, who only exist after 6 years of MLB experience minimum...and almost always end up over paid, and often are more crippling to a team than helpful.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/12/2014 10:10:48 AM

Andrew hit it right. The problem I have with baseball is that they're not requiring teams to spend a minimum amount. In 2006 and 2007, the then Florida Marlins received $60 million in revenue sharing, work they did nothing for other than be in the big leagues. Their payroll for those two seasons amounted to about $45.5 million, meaning that they were paid about $14.5 million to suck as poorly as they wanted to thanks to the teams willing to give their fans a worthwhile product on the field. The problem is less with the teams overspending as it is with the teams unwilling to spend despite the money they're receiving from other teams.

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RE: DJ Cooper on the Bosnia and Herzegovina National Team?

Posted: 6/12/2014 10:38:54 AM

finnOhio wrote:

the then Florida Marlins ...were paid about $14.5 million to suck as poorly as they wanted to thanks to the teams willing to give their fans a worthwhile product on the field. The problem is less with the teams overspending as it is with the teams unwilling to spend despite the money they're receiving from other teams.

Literal peanuts compared to the $2B windfall to Donald Sterling for having the audacity to "buy low and sell high". It's the American way.

The guys running these teams are not dummies (well, not all of them). For every strategy, there has to be a purpose. The Marlins may be "holding" and counting on capital appreciation because they aren't going to make money any other way. The Yanks and Sox are seeing capital appreciation regardless but you can bet their current spending is driving a strategy, too. For the Yankees, think YES and the advertising income, merchandise sales, and, of course, even more national exposure of their product driving more off field revenue.

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