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cbus cat fan
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 10:38:38 AM 
Jeff McKinney, Robert Fox and Colobobcat66 have three excellent posts. We have to be careful that we don't put people on pedestals so we can tear them down. I believe for Bobcat fans this may be born out of our frustration that we often lead the MAC in attendance and fan support (basketball as well as football) and yet because of our location (away from media and population centers) can never crack the attention we believe we deserve.

For those of us who graduated (I am child of the 80s) when many of our fellow students were enamored with Ohio State, I can vividly remember heading back from the Convo or Peden to the bars only to find tons of students watching the Buckeyes. I can remember some students visibly torn on who to cheer for in the 1986 NIT game at the Convo, the Bobcats or the Buckeyes (Danny Nee & Eldon Miller's last season.) I could go on and on about my friends and me counting the number of fans remaining in Peden after the 2nd half of a football fame in the 1985 or 1986 season.

What I am getting at is we see the clock ticking on us getting to the next level, after all we certainly have come a long way with games now available on ESPN and Time Warner. The college sports landscape is certainly changing and we hope we have coaches who match our passion, before the hammer drops and we are out of any chance with the coming power conferences.

Perhaps we surmise that if the coaches match our passion we will be right there among elite programs. If a coach has a different style some think, "he's not one of us." If the coach does match our style, well "he's one of us and will lead us to the promised land." Then when he does leave, we are all devastated, which is why the caution exercised in Jeff McKinney, Robert Fox and Colobobcat66's posts are timely.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 11:49:01 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff McKinney, Robert Fox and Colobobcat66 have three excellent posts. We have to be careful that we don't put people on pedestals so we can tear them down. I believe for Bobcat fans this may be born out of our frustration that we often lead the MAC in attendance and fan support (basketball as well as football) and yet because of our location (away from media and population centers) can never crack the attention we believe we deserve.

For those of us who graduated (I am child of the 80s) when many of our fellow students were enamored with Ohio State, I can vividly remember heading back from the Convo or Peden to the bars only to find tons of students watching the Buckeyes. I can remember some students visibly torn on who to cheer for in the 1986 NIT game at the Convo, the Bobcats or the Buckeyes (Danny Nee & Eldon Miller's last season.) I could go on and on about my friends and me counting the number of fans remaining in Peden after the 2nd half of a football fame in the 1985 or 1986 season.
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I was there and wasn't torn at all.
I wanted us to whip their ass.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 11:52:59 AM 
87OU Alum wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff McKinney, Robert Fox and Colobobcat66 have three excellent posts. We have to be careful that we don't put people on pedestals so we can tear them down. I believe for Bobcat fans this may be born out of our frustration that we often lead the MAC in attendance and fan support (basketball as well as football) and yet because of our location (away from media and population centers) can never crack the attention we believe we deserve.

For those of us who graduated (I am child of the 80s) when many of our fellow students were enamored with Ohio State, I can vividly remember heading back from the Convo or Peden to the bars only to find tons of students watching the Buckeyes. I can remember some students visibly torn on who to cheer for in the 1986 NIT game at the Convo, the Bobcats or the Buckeyes (Danny Nee & Eldon Miller's last season.) I could go on and on about my friends and me counting the number of fans remaining in Peden after the 2nd half of a football fame in the 1985 or 1986 season.
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I was there and wasn't torn at all.
I wanted us to whip their ass.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 12:39:30 PM 
Borna,
You are spot on with your advice that it is time to move on.  The program is moving on, and this is Saul's program now, and we all need to go forward.   I cannot believe some of the wacko posts that we see here day in and day out.  Our former coach gave us two great years and had the program moving in the right direction, filling the holes with some highly rated recruits.   Continued attempts to blast JC for whatever reasons are amazing.    We will lose some kids in the weeks to come, and that is what happens when there are catastrophic coaching changes like we are experiencing.
Deal with it, and lets get on with "Saul Ball" in the Convo  !! 
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 12:59:49 PM 
doubledribble wrote:
Borna,
You are spot on with your advice that it is time to move on.  The program is moving on, and this is Saul's program now, and we all need to go forward.   I cannot believe some of the wacko posts that we see here day in and day out.  Our former coach gave us two great years and had the program moving in the right direction, filling the holes with some highly rated recruits.   Continued attempts to blast JC for whatever reasons are amazing.    We will lose some kids in the weeks to come, and that is what happens when there are catastrophic coaching changes like we are experiencing.
Deal with it, and lets get on with "Saul Ball" in the Convo  !! 


Yep.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 1:17:02 PM 
Since we've put the Tariq Owens thread to bed, I'll add this here -- what's up with this?  Have there been discussions?   

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   Posted: 4/11/2014 1:52:11 PM 
FWIW, Jason Kemp tweeted that Ndour, Campbell, Setty, Mompremier, Taylor, and Willis had a good first week of workouts.  Didn't mention Harley but I saw him in a picture Stevie sent out a couple days ago.  Hopefully that means all 7 will be back next year.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 2:06:01 PM 
That's great, but also really sinks in when you add up those names plus Harley plus the only recruit we know is not decommitting (Crute), we get 8.  Only 8 players officially on board for next fall in mid-April is scary.  Hope we get some encouraging news on both existing recruits and potential new recruits soon!

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   Posted: 4/11/2014 3:10:58 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
That's great, but also really sinks in when you add up those names plus Harley plus the only recruit we know is not decommitting (Crute), we get 8. Only 8 players officially on board for next fall in mid-April is scary. Hope we get some encouraging news on both existing recruits and potential new recruits soon!


Well since we lost Wingfield and we still already had an open scholarship, 8 sounds about right. We have had only one decommit so far (Owens) so the sky is not falling. The transfer carousel is about to start up, and it sounds like Ric wants a medical redshirt. I think we will be okay.
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 8:34:34 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
 
What I am getting at is we see the clock ticking on us getting to the next level, after all we certainly have come a long way with games now available on ESPN and Time Warner. The college sports landscape is certainly changing and we hope we have coaches who match our passion, before the hammer drops and we are out of any chance with the coming power conferences.

I have always thought that with our facility and what we have to offer down here that we should be one of those programs in the post season annually. A program that pays like a high mid major and not an average mid major basketball school. Its safe to say we've arrived on that front. The last piece missing for national recognition as a basketball school is a final four. That is the next, next level The Optimist talks about.

 

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   Posted: 4/11/2014 8:35:58 PM 
Jeff McKinney and 87OU Alum, glad you were as well cheering for the Bobcats as well. I wonder how many posters on this board were there as well? It took until the next day for my voice to return. Ah those were the days when we were on the upswing, but we still had a long way to go. Let's don't even talk about (the immediate post Nee era) a couple seasons later when we had two future NBA players on the team and still managed to finish near the MAC basement!
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 9:20:44 PM 
I was there. Couldn't stand the Suckeyes then and still could care less about them today.

The thing that pissed me off is all of the bandwagon students that showed up for that game. Many of them hadn't been to a game all year until then. I usually sat in the first row on the court in order to properly heckle. I actually had to sit several rows back due to the front runner crowd showing up for this specific game.



 
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 9:46:20 PM 
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   Posted: 4/11/2014 11:56:02 PM 
Diamond Cat wrote:
I was there. Couldn't stand the Suckeyes then and still could care less about them today.

The thing that pissed me off is all of the bandwagon students that showed up for that game. Many of them hadn't been to a game all year until then. I usually sat in the first row on the court in order to properly heckle. I actually had to sit several rows back due to the front runner crowd showing up for this specific game.



 

I was there - sat higher up in the Convo than ever did before or after. Got pretty loud in there that game! 



 

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   Posted: 4/12/2014 1:14:19 AM 
Oh you're gonna get some people angry by alleging allegiance to columbus by some OHIO people.

No; remain at emotional extremes re SP. Do not calm down.

You want good hoops.  Watch San Antonio.

Beside calling travelling, change this in hoops:  After a made hoop, let the team what was scored on take it out from the net without having to go back out of bounds beyond the end line.  Easier ignite to fast break.  More action.

 

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Monroe Slavin wrote:
Oh you're gonna get some people angry by alleging allegiance to columbus by some OHIO people.

 

Who?

 

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   Posted: 4/13/2014 10:52:09 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:

What I am getting at is we see the clock ticking on us getting to the next level, after all we certainly have come a long way with games now available on ESPN and Time Warner. The college sports landscape is certainly changing and we hope we have coaches who match our passion, before the hammer drops and we are out of any chance with the coming power conferences.


I have always thought that with our facility and what we have to offer down here that we should be one of those programs in the post season annually. A program that pays like a high mid major and not an average mid major basketball school. Its safe to say we've arrived on that front. The last piece missing for national recognition as a basketball school is a final four. That is the next, next level The Optimist talks about.



Until we see Ohio in the NCAA at least every other year for a number of years in a row, I'm not concerned about the goal being the Final Four to gain national recognition.
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   Posted: 4/13/2014 11:11:06 AM 
while FF is a noble intention, I would be happy to dominate the MAC and be in the tourney year after year. At that point the program begins to recruit itself and take advantage of the built in "college atmosphere" and recruiting advantages that OHIO offers....



 

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   Posted: 4/13/2014 11:05:19 PM 
bornacatfan wrote:
while FF is a noble intention, I would be happy to dominate the MAC and be in the tourney year after year. At that point the program begins to recruit itself and take advantage of the built in "college atmosphere" and recruiting advantages that OHIO offers....
 

Just getting in is a big attention getter (win MAC Tourney or qualify as Reg Season MAC Champ/MAC 2 entries) Any 1st round win is a Huge news maker. Beyond that is Really Good Gravy...............

 

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   Posted: 4/13/2014 11:14:17 PM 
Talking about attention grabbers-who just won the Frozen Four? What attention does that get you. For the 10 of you who know, great for you, but most people not so much into a sport with 59 teams playing at the top level. At least that's my take on it.

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   Posted: 4/13/2014 11:58:44 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Talking about attention grabbers-who just won the Frozen Four? What attention does that get you. For the 10 of you who know, great for you, but most people not so much into a sport with 59 teams playing at the top level. At least that's my take on it.

They're stilll playing? I thought that was over months ago.

 

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   Posted: 4/14/2014 12:31:20 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Talking about attention grabbers-who just won the Frozen Four? What attention does that get you. For the 10 of you who know, great for you, but most people not so much into a sport with 59 teams playing at the top level. At least that's my take on it.

I guess that's a dig on the "we should invest couple million $'s on hockey" suggestions 'round here. I love it, but what we got w/hockey is pretty good - and do not want to have the BGSUCKS or FIAMI syndromes w/Hockey come to Athens.

It was Union (College?, University?). Saw it on Yahoo news as soon as I logged on tonight - never heard of 'em before! Now I know "Who They Are". Just like I, or everyone else around the country would for every day/every game we would win in the BBall NCAA Tourney............and that's just from the benign act of logging in on OUr computers..........

 

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   Posted: 4/14/2014 12:51:57 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
while FF is a noble intention, I would be happy to dominate the MAC and be in the tourney year after year. At that point the program begins to recruit itself and take advantage of the built in "college atmosphere" and recruiting advantages that OHIO offers....



 



So basically be Gonzaga on a smaller scale?  If you mention wanting to be like Gonzaga people will call you ridiculous and setting to high of an expectation.  Although Gonzaga has only been to one more Sweet 16 then us in the last ten years,  They dominate their conference and get a good seed based on reputation.  Win a game and then more often then not they lose their next.

 
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   Posted: 4/14/2014 12:52:13 AM 
Not saying that the attention gained is equal, but how many schools and how much money thrown at getting NCAA appearance and Final Four vs Frozen Four appearance?  About 320 D1 hoop schools?

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   Posted: 4/14/2014 9:25:32 AM 
Good question. Here are some Frozen Four TV numbers:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/3/29/2910665/frozen-four-tv-viewership-boston-college-minnesota-ferris-state-union

Here are the most recent NCAA numbers for hockey.

Looks like you get at least 10x the exposure in basketball. The Frozen Four trails women's basketball, MAC football games, etc. for viewership.

As far as how much you have to spend on hockey, not sure. My guess is coaching salaries are lower but facility, transportation costs higher.
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